Party 55s - 99 on the bubble vs big stack - Page 2

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #11 10-03-2005, 09:38 PM

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You don't wanna push a 20bb stack to just pick up a bb [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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good point, but I get tired of BB raising me, often all-in, so I lose my 3xbb bet anyway... by pushing... my decision is made

murfnyc · #12 10-03-2005, 09:47 PM

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You don't wanna push a 20bb stack to just pick up a bb [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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good point, but I get tired of BB raising me, often all-in, so I lose my 3xbb bet anyway... by pushing... my decision is made

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This is possibly the worst way you can play this hand....if both you and the BB have 20BBs. What hands is he possibly calling with JJ-AA and AK? Maybe at the 11s, people will call with hands you are actually ahead of (small pps and Ax), but I think this is a case where you win a tiny pot or you are way behind in a massive pot. That can't be optimal.

And are the 11s really that crafty, that they will re-raise a SB steal from the BB with air?

lorinda · #13 10-03-2005, 09:48 PM

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And are the 11s really that crafty, that they will re-raise a SB steal from the BB with air?

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You're thinking two levels too high. They are actually that stupid that they don't know it's air.

Edit: The rest of your comments are correct, but I had to pull you on that [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Lori

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #14 10-03-2005, 11:06 PM

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You don't wanna push a 20bb stack to just pick up a bb [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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good point, but I get tired of BB raising me, often all-in, so I lose my 3xbb bet anyway... by pushing... my decision is made

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This is possibly the worst way you can play this hand....if both you and the BB have 20BBs. What hands is he possibly calling with JJ-AA and AK? Maybe at the 11s, people will call with hands you are actually ahead of (small pps and Ax), but I think this is a case where you win a tiny pot or you are way behind in a massive pot. That can't be optimal.

And are the 11s really that crafty, that they will re-raise a SB steal from the BB with air?

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I tried my last game 'playing poker' (betting 3xbb) as opposed to being a pushbot. It worked out ok... took 2nd. Pushing may not be optimal, but it works. You would be surprised at what people call with... and suck out with at the $11's. Problem is I don't want to see a flop w/ 99. I am not sure, but I guess the chances are about 66% that T-A flops... then what do I do... lose chips? I don't know, nice post. It has given me food for thought.

murfnyc · #15 10-04-2005, 09:27 AM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter

Button (t2130)
Hero (t3247)
BB (t3553)
UTG (t1070)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t425, BB raises to t700, Hero ???

I had a hard time deciphering the min-raise. Does it mean very strong or is it a weak-resteal attempt on the bubble?

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Bump....wondering if I could get a few more responses to this..

jedinite · #16 10-04-2005, 11:50 AM

I too like Lorinda's suggested line. Among other things, folding sets a bad precendent and now you're getting better than 3-1 to call. I'll call here, you've got enough chips to still exploit the bubble. And as suggested, i won't lead a lot of flops but will hope to get this hand shown down cheaply.

#17 10-04-2005, 12:00 PM

Come again?

IIRC, with 99 you are 29% to hit a set or overpair. AQ is 29% to hit top pair or better. And at least with 99 you have a pair post-flop. What *do* you want to see a flop with, AA/KK/QQ? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

kevstreet · #18 10-04-2005, 12:54 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter

Button (t2130)
Hero (t3247)
BB (t3553)
UTG (t1070)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t425, BB raises to t700, Hero ???

I had a hard time deciphering the min-raise. Does it mean very strong or is it a weak-resteal attempt on the bubble?

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Bump....wondering if I could get a few more responses to this..

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I know this is a $55, more astute players than the $22-$33s, but still you're the only stack that can cripple the BB so I think he is showing strength. I know this play may be made from crafty players that play the big stack well but now I'm definitely playing the 9s for set value because you're still in decent shape if you miss.

As far as pushing pre-flop, I really don't like it. Especially who I'm pushing in to and at the blind level you're at.

Any chance you recovered from this hit?

murfnyc · #19 10-04-2005, 01:03 PM

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I know this is a $55, more astute players than the $22-$33s, but still you're the only stack that can cripple the BB so I think he is showing strength. I know this play may be made from crafty players that play the big stack well but now I'm definitely playing the 9s for set value because you're still in decent shape if you miss.

As far as pushing pre-flop, I really don't like it. Especially who I'm pushing in to and at the blind level you're at.

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If I am in this situation, I definitely play again for set value...and I agree that our weak-tight play on this hand could set us up for a play in the future where we are clearly ahead....I do this alot heads-up with deep stacks, I may play weak-tight early, to try and trap later when the blinds are more meaningful...should have done the same here.

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Any chance you recovered from this hit?

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Unfortunely, I pushed the next 2 hands and was called the 2nd time by JJ and my A2s couldn't catch up...out on the bubble