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#11
10-04-2005, 02:24 AM
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Re: This donkey never folds a set.
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[ QUOTE ] This is not a reason to raise the flop. [/ QUOTE ] Well the pot is big enough that you need to protect your hand and charge the straight and flush draws. You have a large equity edge here. Make them pay. Can you inform me as to why else you should raise? [/ QUOTE ] You are raising here for value(if you choose to raise in this spot at all). You don't need to protect your hand when you are this far ahead. If you're going to just call here, how can you not reraise if it gets back to you? This is a dream scenario. But personally I'd just raise first time around. I'll get enough callers behind me to make it profitable. 
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#12
10-04-2005, 02:48 AM
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Re: This donkey never folds a set.
Sure it is. Flush draws only will call bets when they are drawing. They will not call bets on the river when they miss. So when we slow play a set, we are missing a chance to get extra bets in from people who will absolutely definately call them, along with the other people who may get trapped or like seeing turns.
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#13
10-04-2005, 03:18 AM
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Re: This donkey never folds a set.
raise preflop, and then bet and raise your top set on the flop...
calling the flop and check raising that turn makes no sense whatsoever.
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#16
10-04-2005, 10:07 AM
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Re: This donkey never folds a set.
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Can you inform me as to why else you should raise? [/ QUOTE ] Pure, evil, capitalistic value. By "charging" flush draws you're assuming that a) there is a flush draw and b) Raising won't actually be +EV for them. I made a longer post about what I mean here, and in the link I reference in that post. It's semantics to be sure as either way it's a raise, but the whole "charge them flush draws raaaaargh" argument is one that really grates on me. We can also raise to chase out gutshots, who actually might fold for us. PS: I'd estimate that there's about a 25% chance of a flush draw being out there. The actual value for a 5-handed game when we hold one of the flush cards is between 16% and 33% depending on if these guys play any two or any suited.
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#17
10-04-2005, 10:26 AM
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Re: This donkey never folds a set.
Preflop is fine.
You have to raise the flop. The pot is already big enough and you get the opportunity to face them with 2 cold. Push your edge and get those weak draws out of there. Then, you cap if button raises. You have the best hand possible right now. The turn would probably play out much differently if you raised the flop, but you'd be leading out with value bets and calling down if someone wakes up with something.
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#18
10-04-2005, 10:28 AM
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Re: This donkey never folds a set.
Hehe, charge the flush draw. I think I talked about the resurgence of bad habits yesterday.
Yes, charge the flush draws who win money with every bet.
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#19
10-04-2005, 10:46 AM
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Re: This donkey never folds a set.
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Raise the flop. Charge the flush draw and the spade draw. If they want to pay to see their flush let them call 2 cold. [/ QUOTE ] No, you're charging the 2-5 outers. OESD and flush draws are your equity companions to the river. If I had a flush draw, I'm perfectly happy to see multiple bets go in this multi-way pot.
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