Hilger Hand Example (9h3h)

Scuba Chuck · #1 10-04-2005, 03:33 AM

<font color="blue"> I have a question on the following example (p.57) </font>

Limit $20-40
You hold 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the SB. Two middle players call and you call. Four players see the flop of:

9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

There is $80 in the pot. Should you bet or check-raise?

Answer Bet

<font color="blue"> How many players need to be in this pot before you need to consider your reverse implied odds here? My instincts here were to check, a c/r never even enters my mind. Furthermore, how different does this hand play at a $3-$6 game? </font>

Ryan11 · #2 10-04-2005, 04:29 AM

At 3/6 it's a definite check imo. There is little chance that anyone holding even as little as an overcard is going to fold.

private joker · #3 10-04-2005, 04:43 AM

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At 3/6 it's a definite check imo. There is little chance that anyone holding even as little as an overcard is going to fold.

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This is a good reason to bet.

shant · #4 10-04-2005, 04:50 AM

I bet. I can't count on anyone to bet so I can checkraise.

Matt Jenko · #5 10-04-2005, 05:05 AM

I'd bet out. No guarantee of a bet after you. in a 3/6 game I'd do the same.

baronzeus · #6 10-04-2005, 05:40 AM

i think i check-raise if i have any reads

Matt Jenko · #7 10-04-2005, 05:53 AM

Why is that? What turns would you be leading if called (which I presume you would be a good deal of the time)? And finally [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], do considerations of bloating the pot enter your decision in any way?

baronzeus · #8 10-04-2005, 05:58 AM

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Why is that? What turns would you be leading if called (which I presume you would be a good deal of the time)? And finally [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], do considerations of bloating the pot enter your decision in any way?

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well a lot of buttons have a tendency to bet when checked to so i'd like to exploit that since it's unlikely anyone will fold any overcards for only 1 bet here. also its unlikely someone hit any pairs on this board other than me so i can pretty much only expect bets from spades or the button and it will give me a good idea of what sort of hands they hold.

i am leading every non spade turn. obviously if i check-raise the button and i get a cold-caller and a spade hits im check-folding. if button raises my turn bet (with no cold callers) on a spade i will fold.

Matt Jenko · #9 10-04-2005, 06:15 AM

ta. i suppose i have always thought that with such a vulnerable hand the best way of protecting it was to bet out. I can see a c/r doing exactly that given that the button bets. again i see your need for reads to let you know with a bit more confidence that this will happen.

Nick Royale · #10 10-04-2005, 06:17 AM

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i am leading every non spade turn.

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I'm leading a spade turn (without cold callers). I'm assuming spade is some kind of code word for club in this thread.