5/10 nl, Top set JJJ

AEKDBet · #1 10-04-2005, 01:40 AM

CaptZEEbo & others,

Given these 2 flops does your play change? How/why?

1) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

2) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

captZEEbo1 · #2 10-04-2005, 01:45 AM

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CaptZEEbo & others,

Given these 2 flops does your play change? How/why?

1) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

2) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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hand 1) more apt to push since it looks a LOT more like some sort of gay semibluff and a lot more likely to get called by some guy thinking he has about 50% equity.

hand 2)
call the $200 reraise and pray board pairs or opponent slows down.

edit: rethinking hand 2) I'm not sure what I'd do.

AEKDBet · #3 10-04-2005, 01:58 AM

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edit: rethinking hand 2) I'm not sure what I'd do.

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Haha yeah, I was just thinking about push v. call. I was on the push side and was rethinking...

edit - do you think 2 pair will call your push?

Okay I push here. Final decision.

edge · #4 10-04-2005, 02:03 AM

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CaptZEEbo & others,

Given these 2 flops does your play change? How/why?

1) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

2) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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I jam all three flops and I certainly don't mind getting all-in on any of them.

Lucky · #5 10-04-2005, 03:55 AM

nicely played

Alexthegreat · #6 10-04-2005, 03:56 AM

Holy

8TJ versus 9TJ

Obviously you are scared of a made hand that beats a set with both those hands, more so with 9TJ....

You shouldn't be scared of any sweet draw with both those hands

Either way, it's really not to similar to the OP's hand, in which there was a few draws, and no made hands better than OP......

So my point about the hands you would push with that are coinflip hands (basically include just about.....a few hands) stands.....

Pushing the flop is really bad.

edge · #7 10-04-2005, 09:12 AM

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Pushing the flop is really bad.

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If I get all-in on either of those two flops, I'm ahead a lot more often than I'm behind. Any two pair, combo draw, set, and maybe overpair will gamble with me. I'm behind only a flopped straight, and I have good outs.

-Skeme- · #8 10-04-2005, 09:42 AM

I don't think people are saying, "pushing the flop is bad" because they think you're behind, it's because it'll most likely kill your action. It's a pretty big overbet, is it not?

edge · #9 10-04-2005, 12:01 PM

Oh, I don't actually push after the checkraise, but if he openpushed or something I would call. Just saying that I would like to get all-in on a flop like that, disregarding the actual action. Like I said before, I make it about 600 and get the rest in on the turn or I call and push over the top on the turn, depending on the player and what I had for breakfast.

AEKDBet · #10 10-04-2005, 02:10 PM

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Oh, I don't actually push after the checkraise, but if he openpushed or something I would call. Just saying that I would like to get all-in on a flop like that, disregarding the actual action. Like I said before, I make it about 600 and get the rest in on the turn or I call and push over the top on the turn, depending on the player and what I had for breakfast.

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Image and history are pretty importatn here.
I had a very similar situation come up where a push & huge overbet worked because opponent thought I was bullying / button raising continuation betting way to much and he had landed bottom 2 pr.