Party 55s - 99 on the bubble vs big stack

murfnyc · #1 10-03-2005, 08:29 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter

Button (t2130)
Hero (t3247)
BB (t3553)
UTG (t1070)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t425, BB raises to t700, Hero ???

I had a hard time deciphering the min-raise. Does it mean very strong or is it a weak-resteal attempt on the bubble?

lorinda · #2 10-03-2005, 08:38 PM

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Does it mean very strong or is it a weak-resteal attempt on the bubble?

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It almost certainly means one of those two things. I tend to call here and fold most flops, but then you could have guessed that about me anyway. I assume that when I connect I'm going to double through very often here,(They either have an overpair, or I can get them to try more mini bluffs until they pot commit themselves) so I don't think folding preflop is very good and I'm pretty sure that pushing is unwise.

Lori

murfnyc · #3 10-03-2005, 08:38 PM

So I just called figuring to lead most flops.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter

Button (t2130)
Hero (t3247)
BB (t3553)
UTG (t1070)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t425, BB raises to t700, Hero calls t275.

Flop: (t1400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ???

lorinda · #4 10-03-2005, 08:41 PM

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,(They either have an overpair, or I can get them to try more mini bluffs until they pot commit themselves)

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This is why I don't lead at most flops if I miss.

Although it is probably wasteful, I stick to the plan of giving this pot up. It's not a disaster, if we play this hand weak we are still looking at a healthy ITM and our "bad" play in this pot will probably cause him to make mistakes later in the tourney.

If I feel like I can get to the river extremely cheaply, I will take that option, but my plan was to fold so I stick to the plan.

Lori

murfnyc · #5 10-03-2005, 08:51 PM

Well, this is about as good a flop as I was going to get (w/o spiking a set). So I fire a 1/2 pot bet, after the BB calls, I am now done with hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter

Button (t2130)
Hero (t3247)
BB (t3553)
UTG (t1070)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t425, BB raises to t700, Hero calls t275.

Flop: (t1400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t800, BB calls t800.

Turn: (t3000) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: (t3000) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t1000, Hero ???

Once again I have been put a difficult decision, is this a value bet or an attempt to steal this large pot?

I am getting 4-1 on my money, do I close my eyes and make the crying call?

lorinda · #6 10-03-2005, 08:58 PM

I think that having got this far, you now have to call.

It is precisely this mess that makes me fold on the flop, because although at each stage you appear to be getting good odds... you're only actually getting evens for the whole deal.

At this point however you're getting such monster value that I think calling is correct.

These pots very often end up this way if played to their conclusion, which is why I try to avoid playing them to their conclusion unless I think I want even money.

FWIW I think posting in this manner is very constructive as it stops any aftertiming at all from those who reply.

Lori

murfnyc · #7 10-03-2005, 09:06 PM

Lorinda,

Thanks for your responses. I do agree that this is a pot I am not sure I want to be involved in and in retrospect I should have played it for set value after getting re-raised.

And yes I did make a crying call and he showed KK.

Do you think if I make a smaller bet on the flop say 400tc (Harrington's probe bet), that buys me any info?

lorinda · #8 10-03-2005, 09:10 PM

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Do you think if I make a smaller bet on the flop say 400tc (Harrington's probe bet), that buys me any info?

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In theory this makes sense, but in practise I think he'll just raise to 800 whatever he has and you'll have all the same problems.

I'm actually interested to know how everyone else plays this because it's not the simplest of situations.

Lori

Dr_Jeckyl_00 · #9 10-03-2005, 09:24 PM

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Do you think if I make a smaller bet on the flop say 400tc (Harrington's probe bet), that buys me any info?

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In theory this makes sense, but in practise I think he'll just raise to 800 whatever he has and you'll have all the same problems.

I'm actually interested to know how everyone else plays this because it's not the simplest of situations.

Lori

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I push pf at L5 in bubble (happy to steal w/ 99 b/c if T-A appear on board I am likely folding post flop...) but I am still not very good, and my post flop play is not great... I also play $11's [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Mr_J · #10 10-03-2005, 09:27 PM

You don't wanna push a 20bb stack to just pick up a bb [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]