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Re: What it Do?
One problem with calling is that 4-liner straights on the board make it very hard to get paid off when you hit your straight. You're not getting pot odds or implied odds, are almost definitely behind, and have no reason to believe your push will be anything other than spewing chips at a guy with a strong holding. Fold
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Re: What it Do?
FOLD...
There is a good chance you are beat JJ (2 outs gone), dominated by a set or QQ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], or he's drawing absurdly live A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Sound like you're a good enough player to pick a better spot |
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Re: What it Do?
kinda amazed so many people say fold, it's probably the better play, but for the record i slide it in here. siihp baby
the caveat i suppose is i play more shorthanded, and people can make that raise with a pretty wide range, some of which I beat, others which Im very very live against. Calling, okayplayer, is the worst choice, as you will not get action if you hit your draw, a big portion of his flop raises are semibluffs (whole reaso nto push now, they wont call on the turn but gamble with a nice overlay on the pot now) and you dont know if a T is good.. or if a club does land, do they now have the nuts or do you have a redraw to a set? etc. plus you're oop so you have to react first. if you check he culd take free card. if you go all in you assure losing max to better hand. Anyway, I push here, and normally feel good about it till JT calls me. |
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Re: What it Do?
[ QUOTE ]
kinda amazed so many people say fold, it's probably the better play, but for the record i slide it in here. siihp baby the caveat i suppose is i play more shorthanded, and people can make that raise with a pretty wide range, some of which I beat, others which Im very very live against. Calling, okayplayer, is the worst choice, as you will not get action if you hit your draw, a big portion of his flop raises are semibluffs (whole reaso nto push now, they wont call on the turn but gamble with a nice overlay on the pot now) and you dont know if a T is good.. or if a club does land, do they now have the nuts or do you have a redraw to a set? etc. plus you're oop so you have to react first. if you check he culd take free card. if you go all in you assure losing max to better hand. Anyway, I push here, and normally feel good about it till JT calls me. [/ QUOTE ] Well, for the record, I normally push here as well. However, I had been seen playing draws aggressively, and that's why I believe my FE is low; I can usually count on some FE to make this a +EV push, and also, the stack size was such that I'd need to have ~44% equity, whereas I had initially estimated it to be about 40% (and actually was probably more like 35%), so with very little to no FE, I decided to call figuring my implied odds were more than enough. When I called, I felt confident about getting the rest of his stack if I hit one of my outs; I'm sure he put me on AA/KK or maybe AK [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] . But maybe I'm wrong... I just don't see how folding can be optimal, with a potential to win a $3k+ pot for $315 more with a good number of outs. I know it's neutral EV, but is calling -EV? |
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