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#11
10-01-2005, 05:10 AM
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Re: How do you handle a mini-raise with TPTK?
Generally in these kinds of situations I think it is a very weak play to give up this easily, and I thnik muzunguīs reasoning was good. I think you will be up against jacks with worse kickers quite sometimes and draws as well or even a pocket pair lower than jacks, 66-TT. There are far too many hands that you beat to fold here.
However if this player is extremely tight passive as you describe him, then in this very particular hand a fold might be in order, because you donīt want to build a pot in this situation. But generally (against very tight players as well) I think a call on the flop to see what he does on turn is the best play. Krytemaster 
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#13
10-01-2005, 07:15 AM
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Re: How do you handle a mini-raise with TPTK?
How about against aggressive players who do this with a wide variety of holdings? This actual situation comes up HEAPS. I play live and people will often minraise tpgk or tpbk or whatever. So eg hand:
Villian is bad, aggressive, and playing with about 75 bb behind. You raise preflop with AK, they call, flop comes down K high, bet 3/4-pot, they minraise, your move? I used to always fold here btw but am consistantly finding reasons to play that are profitable depending on players, one line includes calling the raise then leading a second time.
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#14
10-01-2005, 07:47 AM
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Re: How do you handle a mini-raise with TPTK?
I am not quite ready to give up on this yet... call the flop, see what he does on the turn. I general, against very weak-tight, passive opponents you will be able to outplay them on later streets often enough to make the flop call profitable. If he's got a set he'll let you know on the turn.
Kirk
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#15
10-01-2005, 08:37 AM
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Re: How do you handle a mini-raise with TPTK?
I can't understand why several posters are advocating a call. This is a super weak tight passive nit at $600NL who has minraised a J high flush draw flop.
Like Lucky said, you can rationalize a call all you want, but long term, this play is -EV at $600NL against this type of player. If you want to out think someone, at least find a player who makes moves.
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#16
10-01-2005, 08:52 AM
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Re: How do you handle a mini-raise with TPTK?
this is exaxtly the reason why you check this flop.
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#18
10-01-2005, 11:19 AM
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Re: How do you handle a mini-raise with TPTK?
I don't see that as a great idea. Here's the gameplan: you check the flop, the tighty bets, you... fold? ...Call, having no idea of where you're at? Check-raise?
I honestly can't think of a single good reason to check this flop except "you can't lose what you don't put in the middle." Kirk
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