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Old 09-30-2005, 09:31 AM
Bankuri Bankuri is offline
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Default Re: AQ under fire, ok to let go?

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I see some people saying fold. I never fold here, is it that big a problem? We have top pair top kicker heads up. I don't know...

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Since when is a queen top kicker ?

The only hands you are ahead of here is QQ, KQ and TT.

Check the turn, pray for a ten on the river. Check/fold UI.

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Q is top kicker because if I had a higher 'kicker' I wouldn't have a pair anymore.
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Old 09-30-2005, 09:44 AM
Absolution Absolution is offline
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Default Re: AQ under fire, ok to let go?

Umm, you just picked up probably 4 clean outs and are now getting 8-1 + implied on your call. It's worth seeing the river here.
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Old 09-30-2005, 09:48 AM
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Default Re: AQ under fire, ok to let go?

Would either Shillx or Jason be able to explain why the turn check doesn't look like QQ/TT that got scared when yet another overcard hit? IMO most Villains will pay off with them at this level.
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Old 09-30-2005, 09:51 AM
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Default Re: AQ under fire, ok to let go?

Alot of people saying call eh? They must think we're ahead of a "NON TRICKY TIGHT PLAYER WHO HAS RAISED TWO HANDS IN 3Orbits(30Hands)"

We're behind:
AA, JJ, AK, KK, We split with AQ.

We're ahead of:
AT, QQ

You guys want to call getting 7:1(On the call back to us) with a ten to one draw?

Its debateable, but im happy to fold. Donk betting the turn may not have been such a good idea either unless hes weak/tight and you could get a free SD(After he calls and then checks to you).

I think many of you are thinking along the lines of:
"Ah we already put 1 bet in, we may aswell call now for a extra 1bb and see the river, its only one bet after all".

Remeber 2BB/100 is ok winrate... You just lost one by calling.

edit: just noticed you got check raised, Ummm yeh i fold. If you do spike a straight you'll get paid off so a call maybe justified.... However i think its -EV to call here in the long run? We hit in 1 in 11.5 times(10.5 to 1) we'd need to make up ALOT OF BBS.
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Old 09-30-2005, 09:54 AM
Absolution Absolution is offline
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Default Re: AQ under fire, ok to let go?

I think it's close. We win an extra bet on the end when the T comes. We are about 25% to win against your range.
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Old 09-30-2005, 11:20 AM
RatFink RatFink is offline
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Default Re: AQ under fire, ok to let go?

I've been doing more of this, so I want to just put my thoughts out there to see if the reasons why I've checked behind on the turn are right.

1. I don't beat much that three-bets PF.
2. What I do beat, he will bet at me on river if I check behind on turn.
3. What I do not beat currently I get a free card with which I may be able to raise the eventual river bet.
4. If I call river UI, I've seen the showdown for 1 bet rather than folding to CR on turn or paying 2 bets.
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Old 09-30-2005, 12:03 PM
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Default Re: AQ under fire, ok to let go?

I would've raised after that flop, then cursed like the sailor I am after that K hit the turn.

Definitely would've checked through after that turn card (since KK and AK are 2 of your likely hands to 3-bet preflop), then called on river (raise if 10 hit, bet if Villain doesn't bet river).
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Old 09-30-2005, 12:11 PM
DCWildcat DCWildcat is offline
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Default Re: AQ under fire, ok to let go?

I must be really off, because this seems like a very easy call down after villain's 3-bet on the flop.
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Old 09-30-2005, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: AQ under fire, ok to let go?

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I'm surprised at how many say bet.

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i agree with the reasoning... it is a pretty easy check behind from a player who will check raise you.

probably if i were to pay attention to the hand i would probably check, but i would mistakenly auto-bet this if i was on autopilot =( pretty bad...
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Old 09-30-2005, 01:05 PM
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I would've raised after that flop

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Yeah I just read through this thread and I was surprised no one else suggested this. It seems to me there's a ton we're beating on the flop here. 99, TT, QQ, KK, KQs, ATs, even KJs is possible. Losing to AA, JJ, AK, AJ, and that's about it that's reasonable, maybe 88? Why not raise the flop when you hit?
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