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amoeba · #11 09-30-2005, 01:02 AM

fine whatever, you are better player than me.

I think we've gotten enough responses already, can you please give your reasoning?

villainy · #12 09-30-2005, 01:27 AM

I've read the action three times...I was sure I misread it the first two times.

Did your prescription drug benefit run out??

Seriously though, since he sees you have more than double
the buy-in...shouldn't he assume you're at least moderately
competent? Would a competent player throw it all in
at the river if he had made a set? It seems like betting
half the guy's stack trying to take some more from him
would be more normal from a competent player. Doesn't
this smack of a draw gone bad or a transparent bluff??

ajmargarine · #13 09-30-2005, 01:31 AM

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Doesn't this smack of a draw gone bad or a transparent bluff??

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Sure it does. But it's really hard to call. Especially with a hand that can only bet 1/5 pot on the turn.

amoeba · #14 09-30-2005, 01:40 AM

a pot sized bet on the river has much more folding equity than a push in my opinion.

Malachii · #15 09-30-2005, 03:02 AM

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a pot sized bet on the river has much more folding equity than a push in my opinion.

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Also you're losing much less if he decides to call.

awarunn · #16 09-30-2005, 03:17 AM

just fold....can't you wait for better odds?

-Skeme- · #17 09-30-2005, 04:03 AM

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fine whatever, you are better player than me.

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I doubt it.

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Doesn't
this smack of a draw gone bad or a transparent bluff??

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This is the precise move I make with the nuts. It's actually something I wish I'd stop doing.. the big all in at the river, that is. Usually it's many times the size of the pot. This time, if you'd care to double check, I'm betting his stack, which is less than a PSB.

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22 has showdown value, use it.

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Against what? AQo?

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a pot sized bet on the river has much more folding equity than a push in my opinion.

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Am I the only person who understands the importance of reading stack sizes? He has LESS than the pot left in his stack people. My all in is the same as betting exactly his stack, it's not an overbet.

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just fold....can't you wait for better odds?

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What are you talking about?

#18 09-30-2005, 04:08 AM

After he calls your turn raise, I deem the river raise -EV

He might not believe you with AJ or QQ or something like that

He might have a weirdly slowplayed AA/KK/AK

you'll probably get him to fold a draw, but 22 will beat most draws anyway

-Skeme- · #19 09-30-2005, 04:11 AM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed)

CO ($16.50)
Button ($54.60)
SB ($46)
BB ($45)
UTG ($8.70)
UTG+1 ($93.65)
MP1 ($50.70)
MP2 ($17.95)
Hero ($111.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB completes, BB raises to $2.5, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero calls $2, SB folds.

Flop: ($8) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $3, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($14) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $7.

River: ($34) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $96 (All-In), BB calls $29.50 (All-In).

Final Pot: $159.50

Results in white below: 
BB has Kc Td (one pair, kings).
Hero has 2c 2d (one pair, twos).
Outcome: BB wins $93. Hero wins $66.50. 
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Picked off by the almighty KTo. I'm having a hard time beating SSNL lately. I attribute these semi-FPS moves to my boredom of set mining and nut peddling. The robotic play at these levels is getting tiresome.

If I think someone's weak, I'll try and get them to fold, knowing they're usually too incompetent to lay down such a mediocre holding as TPWK. This isn't always a great tactic down there, but not because it's SSNL.. it's because I didn't take the time to study my opponent. Perhaps if I'd watched him longer before attempting to run a bluff, I'd understand the chances of me being picked off were fairly high.

It's probably easier just to wait for the set instead of representing it. (This is pretty damn close to how I'll play a set, by the way.)

I think raising the flop is better. Folding is good, too. Bleh.

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After he calls your turn raise, I deem the river raise -EV

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Yeah, I have a hard time surrendering when I still think an opponent is weak, though. Should probably fix this. Also, it was not a river raise, it was a river bet. Was probably a typo, but still, I'd like to emphasize that if he'd lead into me on the river, I wouldn't have moved in.

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He might not believe you with AJ or QQ or something like that

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He shouldn't, I wouldn't play either of those hands in this manner. I'm representing a set.. or at least trying.

#20 09-30-2005, 04:19 AM

no this play is fine, but only do it against players who fold things. not this guy. And do it in tourneys. Mid-late.