Abortion = less crime?

[whiskeytown]

first off, you would have to write a full book tying abortion to crime rates, and even then I doubt it'd be solid - way too much has happened in the last few years to say it's abortion.

for example, we've made great progress in Civil Rights since then - perhaps the progress has elevated some people to a law-abiding status that would prevent them from committing the crimes they would have otherwise...

Second, I'd say if our goal is to reduce crime, then kill every criminal and every child born to one or to poor circumstances....otherwise I'd say any relationship between the two is moot, because I don't believe steps for reducing crime should include killing people who haven't even committed the supposed crime they're going to grow up and commit.

either way I look at it, it's either a bullshit statistic or an unfortunate shitty side effect, not a benefit of abortion....

personally, I'm going with bullshit statistics.

RB

[DVaut1]

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Round 2, Dvault1? Just kidding. I don't think that topic could be discussed any more than it was.

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I've instructed my manager to throw in the towel before the bell rings for Round 2, so I won't be stepping back into the ring. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Stu Pidasso]

"The author talked about the decline of the power of democrats in congress since 1994. A lot of people attribute it to the GOP's "Contract with America" or the better economy of the late 1990s. But the author claims it was due to Roe v Wade in 1972. Those babies from that time would be hitting their peak democratness about now - and the women who seek abortions are more likely to come from an environemt that would tend to produce democrats."

Now it all makes sense why the democrats gave Roberts a pass. They want him to overturn Roe V. Wade so in 20 years or so they can get control of Congress again.

Stu

[hetron]

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first off, you would have to write a full book tying abortion to crime rates, and even then I doubt it'd be solid - way too much has happened in the last few years to say it's abortion.

for example, we've made great progress in Civil Rights since then - perhaps the progress has elevated some people to a law-abiding status that would prevent them from committing the crimes they would have otherwise...

Second, I'd say if our goal is to reduce crime, then kill every criminal and every child born to one or to poor circumstances....otherwise I'd say any relationship between the two is moot, because I don't believe steps for reducing crime should include killing people who haven't even committed the supposed crime they're going to grow up and commit.

either way I look at it, it's either a bullshit statistic or an unfortunate shitty side effect, not a benefit of abortion....

personally, I'm going with bullshit statistics.

RB

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Of course none of these tools would EVER say that the decrease in crime is a result of successful social programs, because of course social programs NEVER work. they always do NOT work, and idiots always believe in absolutes.

[hetron]

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My stance is that abortion is wrong on the premise that killing a human is wrong, but I find some comfort in the fact that the entire institution is and will remain atheist liberals killing off atheist liberals.

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[Felix_Nietsche]

My stance is that abortion is wrong on the premise that killing a human is wrong, but I find some comfort in the fact that the entire institution is and will remain atheist liberals killing off atheist liberals.
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Some atheists, like me, are conservative, voted for Bush, and want him to appoint conservative judges to the supreme court.

On the surface the author's premise may have some validity. Certain segments of the USA population are more prown to crime and if this group is having a large percentage of abortions then it seems logical crime would be reduced.

[slickpoppa]

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I haven't read the book yet, but each time I hear this I remember my stats teachers repeating "correlation is not causation". So, are there statistics to back this up? Example, previously high crime areas that coincided with high abortion rates in the years discussed, followed by lower crime rates today? Or is just the idea talked about? It is interesting at how quickly this thread devolved from topic discussion to the morality issue of abortion (which I'm sure there is a thread for if people want further debate).

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Their analysis was fairly robust. They isolated a lot of other variables to reduce the possibility of hidden variables. They will never be able to prove their claim in the 2+2=4 sense, but their evidence is pretty strong.

[FishHooks]

Most of the people commenting on this haven't even read the book. I have and the evidence is very good. It's also important to note that, we have killed more people from abortion that we have saved from the decreased crime rates.

It's also important to note that I dont agree with everything in that book either, but the thing i like about the book is that it makes you think about things you haven't really thought about, it's a very good read. It's a book where even if you dont agree with you can still read.

[hetron]

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Just reading Freakonomics and I find it very interesting. The author talked about the decline in crime since 1995. A lot of people attribute it to better police enforcement or the better economy of the late 1990s. But the author claims it was due to Roe v Wade in 1972. Those babies from that time would be hitting their crime peak about now - and the women who seek abortions are more likely to come from an environemt that would tend to produce criminals.

Great analysis IMO.

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Sh!t why stop there? Let's just kill off all the poor people. Make this a country full of white landowners and whatever poor people we don't kill we make work on our land...


ugh

You are either poor, black, and uneducated, at which point I feel sympathy for your situation and say that I can't and never will really understand what you go through in life

Or

You just started your freshman year of college and you've already worn the cover off of every Michael Moore book that your roomate lent you. At which point I feel sympathy for your situation and say that I can't and never will really understand what you go through in life