Buying the button with TT

[rigoletto]

Party 30/60.

TAG raises UTG, two coldcallers of medium quality, I raise TT in the CO, blinds fold, others call. 4 to flop for 13½sb.

Flop: Js, Qc, 7s (I don't have the Ts)

checked through

Turn: Js, Qc, 7s 9d

TAG bets, next guy raises, one fold, I call, TAG folds.

River: Js, Qc, 7s 9d 8d (Nice!)

bet, raise, call.

[flub]

What does this have to do with buying the button? 9/10 times button is folding here anyway and even when he comes along it's probably a good thing.

With T's in this hand you're really looking to make trips and the more ppl the merrier. If you do happen to have an overpair on the flop you will still likely need to wait till the turn to force ppl out.

Seems like a good place to cold call to me.

-f

[AceHigh]

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TAG raises UTG, two coldcallers of medium quality, I raise TT in the CO,

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Did you raise or 3-bet? I like a raise, but I probably wouldn't 3-bet here. Rest is good.

[flawless_victory]

looks perfect on all streets.

[amulet]

preflop i 3 bet if i can limit the field, here you can not. calling is best. if the players are tight a fold can be correct, but in today's games that seems less and less true. and if you expect 5, then pocket pairs lower then tt should be played here too.

i think the 3 bet pre here has neg ev, but nice runner runner!

[BarronVangorToth]

Pre-flop: good.

Flop: yep.

Turn: there aren't even 7BB out there, there is the two-flush, and you have an open-endeder that isn't to the nuts (K = A10 bests you; or you can already be behind to K10).

And hitting your 10 might give all sorts of other hands to others.

You called 2BB and there were about 10BB out there...

What could he be raising with?

Obviously you have potential implied odds with hitting your hand as you did and him walking into (and calling) the raise, but...

I think this is close, but a fold to that turn raise - and far be it that I mind paying for draws when the odds are right.

Barron Vangor Toth
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[rigoletto]

Even thogh I wrote 'buying the button' I mainly 3-bet preflop to earn a free look at the turn. Right after I became uncertain if this is the right play these days. It seems to me that there are less 'check to the raiser' sentiment than there used to be. I don't mind buying the button though and I don't mind getting the blinds out since that will make it easier to play a rag flop!

I agree with Barron that the turn call is questionable and probably slightly -EV.

[DeeJ]

this is fine.

as someone else said, I raise pf to give me more chance of seeing off the blinds, not really to buy the button or give me a cheap flop choice, although it helps my chances for that too.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

wow. i thought this was just incredibly standard preflop play. maybe i'm wrong?

[BarronVangorToth]

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wow. i thought this was just incredibly standard preflop play. maybe i'm wrong?

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Lest there be any confusion with the OP replying to me, as I said in my post, I like his PF line.

I'm not sure about calling the turn - and I think it was just barely a -EV play that turned out okay. But, results-orientation aside, -EV.

But close. And it may have paid off later IF his opponents were savvy in that they would give him far less credit, and the -EV he gave up might have had dividends outside of the immediate.

Maybe.

Barron Vangor Toth
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