AQ 5/10 6max hand

Prevaricator · #1 09-26-2005, 07:31 PM

OKAY so here's what REALLY happened.

I was the villain in this hand, and the "hero" was INcinerate, pretty decent skilled TAG player. He doesn't have a read on me.

I had A9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and bet 340 on the river trying to sell a K high straight. He thought for 15 secs and then called at the end, and I felt like I had made a mistake. I have chatted with some people about this and they have suggested I raise the turn on a bluff, or just give up on the river, but I thought I could make him fold a Q (which is what I read him for). Too bad. Maybe 340 wasn't enough to bet, but some of you guys are saying call potsized river bets. I dont know what's with that, I don't think its good vs unknown (although I would rarely bet the pot on the river vs an opponent like this, although he does not know that). On the other hand, VanVeen, who's play I respect, says check fold, hmm. It's hard to say. Thanks for all of your comments. I do think INcinerate played the hand well though, and I arguably misplayed the turn.

TheWorstPlayer · #2 09-26-2005, 10:06 PM

And what is your response to a half pot bet from him on the river? What if you had KQ?

Prevaricator · #3 09-26-2005, 10:36 PM

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And what is your response to a half pot bet from him on the river? What if you had KQ?

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I would probably fold rather than bluffraise allin, but you never know. KQ I think has to be folded too vs this player, but against others I might sway towards calling.

TheWorstPlayer · #4 09-26-2005, 10:41 PM

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And what is your response to a half pot bet from him on the river? What if you had KQ?

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I would probably fold rather than bluffraise allin, but you never know. KQ I think has to be folded too vs this player, but against others I might sway towards calling.

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Thanks. That is in keeping with my view that a blocking bet would be better here than checking and calling up to a pot bet. More likely to get the blocking bet called by a worse hand and less likely for us to hemmorhage money when we're behind.

Prevaricator · #5 09-26-2005, 10:42 PM

I think so too.

Your Mom · #6 09-27-2005, 11:43 AM

u post good hands. thank you.

Rocaix · #7 09-26-2005, 10:46 PM

I think if I had A9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] here, I'd raise the turn stop'n go for sure. And maybe fire again on the river depending on what card hits and how fast he called.

ripdog · #8 09-27-2005, 12:11 PM

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No read on UTG.

UTG raises to 35, folded to you in the bb with AQ

You call.

Flop is QT2, two . You check, he bets 70, and you call.

Turn is the 4o. Pot is 213. You lead for 125. He calls.

Pot is about 470 now. River 9o which is kind of scary bc it could have made the straight.

What's your play.

If you check, how much can you call?

Oh effective stacks 1k

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OKAY so here's what REALLY happened.

I was the villain in this hand, and the "hero" was INcinerate, pretty decent skilled TAG player. He doesn't have a read on me.

I had A9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and bet 340 on the river trying to sell a K high straight. He thought for 15 secs and then called at the end, and I felt like I had made a mistake. I have chatted with some people about this and they have suggested I raise the turn on a bluff, or just give up on the river, but I thought I could make him fold a Q (which is what I read him for). Too bad. Maybe 340 wasn't enough to bet, but some of you guys are saying call potsized river bets. I dont know what's with that, I don't think its good vs unknown (although I would rarely bet the pot on the river vs an opponent like this, although he does not know that). On the other hand, VanVeen, who's play I respect, says check fold, hmm. It's hard to say. Thanks for all of your comments. I do think INcinerate played the hand well though, and I arguably misplayed the turn.

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So HE had the AQo, right? I think you're contadicting yourself here, but I'm not sure. How is it that him calling $340 on the river is playing it well but us suggesting that you can call up to a pot-sized bet is not playing it well? I am so confused...

Prevaricator · #9 09-27-2005, 02:36 PM

well he made the read. Who knows what he would have done had i bet the pot though. there is a lot of uncertainty though thats my point.

TheWorstPlayer · #10 09-27-2005, 02:40 PM

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well he made the read. Who knows what he would have done had i bet the pot though. there is a lot of uncertainty though thats my point.

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Or what if you overbet the pot? The people who will call up to pot-sized, don't you think overbetting river after you check looks a lot like a steal? If he had a real hand, wouldn't he value bet it? After all, your river checks seems weak. Why would he expect you to call an overbet? I just think checking here puts you into a potentially expensive guessing situation. If you have a good read on the opponent and are confident that you will guess correctly often enough to make it profitable, go for it. But against an unknown, seems like blocking bet is the safe way to go...