Bad river fold?

aflaba · #1 09-26-2005, 06:49 AM

Villain is Grejpfrut, 26/17, 2.1

Party Poker 10.00/20.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (7.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB.

cartman · #2 09-26-2005, 07:25 AM

I would play this one passively. I think it is very unlikely that he has a hand worse than yours and I think there is almost no chance of him folding on an board this low unless maybe another spade hits. I'm not terribly excited about your pair outs. I would just plan on calling the flop and turn and fold the river unimproved. You may get a free showdown if he checks to you on the river. The way you played it I think the river fold is good.

Cartman

ArturiusX · #3 09-26-2005, 07:59 AM

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I would play this one passively. I think it is very unlikely that he has a hand worse than yours and I think there is almost no chance of him folding on an board this low unless maybe another spade hits. I'm not terribly excited about your pair outs. I would just plan on calling the flop and turn and fold the river unimproved. You may get a free showdown if he checks to you on the river. The way you played it I think the river fold is good.

Cartman

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My thoughts exactly.

We're only beating like K4/K5 here, and I don't see those hands betting the flop/3-betting preflop.

Good fold.

aflaba · #4 09-26-2005, 09:15 AM

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I would play this one passively. I think it is very unlikely that he has a hand worse than yours and I think there is almost no chance of him folding on an board this low unless maybe another spade hits. I'm not terribly excited about your pair outs. I would just plan on calling the flop and turn and fold the river unimproved. You may get a free showdown if he checks to you on the river. The way you played it I think the river fold is good.

Cartman

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I don't know.

By raising I open myself up to paying up 1-3SB more when behind, right? So that is bad.

But I don't put him on a too narrow range preflop. I've imagined that many players 3-bet quite liberally from BB. Is this correct or incorrect?

So I raised hoping that later in the hand he would fold mid PP, A-high, K-high, Q-high, other.

On the turn if he is holding KQ, KJ, QJ or similar I think it is probable he would fold. When KQ, KJ fold I win like 6BB I otherwise wouldn't have won.

... hmmm. Thinking about it I think I like your line of calling down more. When playing I had "hopes" of getting A-high and PP to fold as well, but that will seldom be the case? My flop raise didn't really accomplish much?

GTSamIAm · #5 09-26-2005, 09:27 AM

Without reads, I'm not folding, I'm paying off and seeing what he has. I would be tempted to fold preflop also. Why did you bet the turn? Raising the flop is risky anyways for fear of a 3-bet.

tribefan9 · #6 09-26-2005, 09:32 AM

I would have checked behind on the turn and called the river, is this bad?

aflaba · #7 09-26-2005, 09:34 AM

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Without reads, I'm not folding, I'm paying off and seeing what he has. I would be tempted to fold preflop also. Why did you bet the turn? Raising the flop is risky anyways for fear of a 3-bet.

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I was hoping to fold a few hands like KQ, KJ, QJ. I also thought it was "unlikly" he would risk giving me a free card and going for a ch/r.

Checking behind and then folding river UI might be a better move?

GTSamIAm · #8 09-26-2005, 09:40 AM

I'd probably just call or check every street here. There are so many hands that have you killed, you're burning money if you get called or check/raised on the river. I still think you should call a river check/raise, though, because of the pot size and one more bet to see the player's cards.