I now fold AK a lot pf.

[ansky451]

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you mean like this?


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If by "you mean like this" we were asking what it means to be results oriented, then yes. I dont care if the shortstack ended up having AA, this is an easy easy easy push.

I think this is a good example of when to fold AK pf, it just happened to me.

250 player 50+5 MTT, ~40 people left, 30 paid. The converter doesn't want to convert so I will be evil and post the HH.


***** Hand History for Game 2777724439 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:16079656 Level:7 Blinds (100/200) - Monday, September 26, 04:43:46 EDT 2005
Table Multi-Table(470141) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 5: cowboys5500 ( $8488 )
Seat 6: irishkevie ( $1720 )
Seat 7: Chrisman886 ( $4160 )
Seat 9: notakot ( $3445 )
Seat 10: ThaBleeder ( $3020 )
Seat 1: blizzak ( $1240 )
Seat 2: Ted_McLester ( $3540 )
Seat 3: jhldn ( $3285 )
Seat 4: sammy777111 ( $7480 )
Trny:16079656 Level:7
Blinds (100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Chrisman886 [ As Kd ]
blizzak is all-In [1240]
Ted_McLester is all-In [3540]
jhldn folds.
sammy777111 folds.
cowboys5500 folds.
irishkevie folds.
Chrisman886 folds.
notakot folds.
ThaBleeder folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, 5h, 3d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
blizzak shows [ 4s, 4h ] a pair of fours.
Ted_McLester shows [ Js, Jh ] a pair of jacks.
Ted_McLester wins 2300 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of jacks.
Ted_McLester wins 2780 chips from the main pot with a pair of jacks.

[m1illion]

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no, that's a really really easy push vs. his range which undoubtedly includes big aces so this hand is kinda horrible

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Of course it includes big aces, you're not planning on writing a book anytime soon are you?

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i don't think that's a fold either.


There is where a coinflip is fine, because you're getting good odds for it. I dont think you can put someone on AA or KK from the stacks they had, first guy only had 5BB, 2nd guy would be isolating with quite a bit there.

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no, that's a really really easy push vs. his range which undoubtedly includes big aces so this hand is kinda horrible

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Of course it includes big aces, you're not planning on writing a book anytime soon are you?

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Wow what's with the attitude? He was trrying to help you with a leak in your game.. That's a bad fold, and it's bad because it includes other big aces (which you have dominated).

And,if he were to write a book, i'd be on the waiting list to buy.

[m1illion]

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Wow taht's really bad.


He only has 7BB's.. and you only have like 15 or whatever (dont feel likegoing back to check) that's absolutely a push.

If there waas a guy inbetween taht also went in.. then it's close, but still .. probably a push

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mabye tou rite but pobably safir to stikc wit me own judgemint.

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Wow taht's really bad.


He only has 7BB's.. and you only have like 15 or whatever (dont feel likegoing back to check) that's absolutely a push.

If there waas a guy inbetween taht also went in.. then it's close, but still .. probably a push

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mabye tou rite but pobably safir to stikc wit me own judgemint.

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Valid point, you're 100% right.

Keep folding your AK.

[ansky451]

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mabye tou rite but pobably safir to stikc wit me own judgemint.

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Then why are you here? That was an absolutely terrible fold, if you don't want to hear that, then don't post the hand, and don't read this forum

[m1illion]

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no, that's a really really easy push vs. his range which undoubtedly includes big aces so this hand is kinda horrible

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Of course it includes big aces, you're not planning on writing a book anytime soon are you?

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Wow what's with the attitude? He was trrying to help you with a leak in your game.. That's a bad fold, and it's bad because it includes other big aces (which you have dominated).

And,if he were to write a book, i'd be on the waiting list to buy.

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Call it a leak if you will. My read was right. My instincts were right.
I don't make plays mechanically. Do you? Really?
A coin flip is in my best interests here?
You guys make snap judgement about hands without any context at all.
And a lot of "experts " didn't do so well with the Masters hand that Lloyd put up.
So maybe, just maybe, there's a little bit of room for another way of playing this game.

[ansky451]

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My read was right.

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No it wasn't.

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My instincts were right.

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No they weren't.

Do you know what pot odds are?