similar hand w/ KK...too weak?

joseki · #1 09-23-2005, 01:35 PM

Same table same villain as JJ hand.

Anyone showing this down?

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Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB raises, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

paco · #2 09-23-2005, 02:16 PM

Well, an aggression factor of 1.7 is not that passive postflop.
I think its pretty reliable that he's representing the ace after you've convincingly done the same. With some obvious draws out there I think I would call this down. With noting more than a gutshot possible I think its pretty clear he at least has an A. If you haven't seen him get out of line in a big way I think this was well played.
One thing though: if you really think he has it, don't call the flop c/r with only 2 outs. You just wasted a sb. He has no idea you made the laydown you did. For all he knows you just ditched your 77.

#3 09-23-2005, 02:20 PM

He might just have a 10, dont fold.

kidcolin · #4 09-23-2005, 02:34 PM

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One thing though: if you really think he has it, don't call the flop c/r with only 2 outs.

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Good advice. It seems obvious, but I think countless people (and 2+2ers) throw away a small bet in a situation like this. I read OPs JJ hand and I thought the same thing, though that one was a tiny bit better since the board was so drawy. The pot was protected, though.

paco · #5 09-23-2005, 02:42 PM

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He might just have a 10, dont fold.

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Given the action he would have to be a serious LAG to do this. With this opponent I think if he had a T it would be a question of whether to value bet the river after being called down, which I think he clearly should.