Live $2-$5 Spread Limit - Should I Have Folded Preflop?

[michiganlaw]

Live 2-5 spread limit at Colorado casino. Can bet $2 to $5 on any hand, any street.

Table is very loose, have seen players call pre-flop raises with 8-4o and hit two pair.

UTG limps and calls the $2 blind. UTG + 1 folds. MP raises $5 to $7 straight, Hero sitting MP+1 calls $7 with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ; folded to CO who calls, big blind calls and UTG calls...so, 5 way action to the flop.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Big blind checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks, CO (villain) bets $5, big blind folds, UTG calls, MP calls and Hero calls.

Turn: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks, CO bets $5, UTG folds, MP folds, Hero calls (and thinks very hard about raising his OESD and top pair here).

River: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero checks, CO/villain bets $5; Hero.......?

Comments on all streets appreciated.

[callmedonnie]

I would have.

[W. Deranged]

This hands a disaster.

1. Cold-calling raises pre-flop in any structure is dangerous. Doing so with offsuit, unpaired cards like AJ is quite bad. Fold here usually or occassionally raise if it's to isolate a loose raiser.

2. Once it's checked to you on the flop I can think of no reason why you wouldn't bet here. And the bet is primarily for value, but protection is cool to. Bet $5.

3. I have no idea what to say about the turn because the other streets are so messed up. In theory you should be betting the turn but you should have been betting before that anyway.

4. I guess you should call the river. In fact, bet-folding is probably better.

Why are you playing so damn passively!!!!????!!! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Don't Do That!

[peterchi]

Pre-flop: Fold unless MP has been raising very light. If that's the case, re-raise.

Flop: Bet! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Turn: Bet! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

River: I don't know since it'd be entirely different if we got here by betting. As is, I think I'd bet/call or check/call, read-dependent. i.e. if you think he'd check it through with a loser that he'd call with, then we gotta bet. Otherwise check/call is probably better.

[SeaEagle]

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This hands a disaster.

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Not to derail this thread but a while back I saw you call a hand a "train wreck". (I never have the guts to be so forthright).

Anyway, I'm wondering which is worse, a disaster or a train wreck?

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[callmedonnie]

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This hands a disaster.

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Not to derail this thread but a while back I saw you call a hand a "train wreck". (I never have the guts to be so forthright).

Anyway, I'm wondering which is worse, a disaster or a train wreck?

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The difference lies in degrees. A train wreck is a type of disaster, so using the term train wreck is really an attempt at quantifying the caliber of the disaster. Say for instance that original poster had capped the river, well, Deranged could say, "Nothing is [censored]? The goddamn plane has crashed into the mountain!"

It's all semantics really.

[peterchi]

[ QUOTE ]
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This hands a disaster.

[/ QUOTE ]
Not to derail this thread but a while back I saw you call a hand a "train wreck". (I never have the guts to be so forthright).

Anyway, I'm wondering which is worse, a disaster or a train wreck?

[img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I'd say train wreck is worse. I actually almost called this hand a disaster too (before seeing that W. already had), but then I looked at my post count and figured I'd better wait just a little longer before being so bold. Train wreck didn't even enter into my mind.

But W. could call a hand a freaking rainbow and I'd find some way to believe him [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]