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Portrait of a 5/10 Donk
If I've got nothing but overcards and some unknown 5/10 donk checkraises me on the turn, there is an excellent chance I am folding. Good chance he's bluffing but King or Queen high doesn't beat some bluffs. When I have a pair it's a different story. I like to see what they are up to.
In this hand when I got cr'd I glanced at my stats on him and saw 27/19/2.4 which seems reasonable. I almost folded. Then I noticed this was based on 80 hands and he was new to the table. I didn't recognize him so likely datamined stats. I decide to call. Good thing. He freaking cr'd me with Q high and no draw. OK this could go in the l/c or even n/c dept. But I think it shows what kind of players a lot of these unknowns are. Hands like this illustrate why in this game you can play in what a lot of authors would consider an unsound manner. Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls. Turn: (3.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls. River: (7.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 9.20 BB Results in white below: BB has Qs 3s (two pair, eights and fours). Hero has 9d 9h (two pair, nines and eights). Outcome: Hero wins 9.20 BB. |
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Re: Portrait of a 5/10 Donk
If you always lay this down without a pair, and always bet/bet overcards, and do not adjust (or always fold to the 1st person who does this), it is correct for him to c/r this turn every time. If you would lay down 99, then its not close.
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Re: Portrait of a 5/10 Donk
It would be correct if he knew I would fold that much. Unless he had been datamining me though, he wouldn't know that. Also, I do mix it up and will call down with sometimes less than Ace high if I think someone is starting to take advantage of me. I will even raise them back.
But the point of the post is that this donk (and by extension a lot of donks) was willing to do a complete bluff cr and then follow through on the river. And this against someone he probably knew nothing about. So if you are considering a line against an unknown donk (like in this post from TJD) it's something to keep in mind. |
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Re: Portrait of a 5/10 Donk
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Hands like this illustrate why in this game you can play in what a lot of authors would consider an unsound manner. [/ QUOTE ] OK, well we all know that this sort of play happens with some regularity. On this hand were particularily strong against a bluff, but are you suggesting this is a routine call down with A high? I still don't have a good feel for how often an unknown will pull a turn bluff raise followed by a river bluff on a board like this, given that we need to win almost 1 in 4 im curious how others respond. |
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Re: Portrait of a 5/10 Donk
It's not our fault you play weak tight and people take advantage of you. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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