Zoine Busted by Hero Cloutier

[Tyler Durden]

TJ Cloutier's book is awful. I suggest burning it or giving it to someone you dislike.

Steve Zoine is a hell of a nice guy. He was at my table for Friday's $2500 NL at the Borgata Open last week. Later I was talking to him on the casino floor and he offered to get my friends and I ahead in line at a restaurant by using his Black Label Borgata card. Great guy.

[ddubois]

My question is, how can TJ call with A5o when there's been a bet, a re-raise, and Zoine subsequently went all-in? It seemed downright awful to me. He can hope there's a slim chance that Zoine is with KQ or 44, but he's almost guranteed to be a huge dog. Was he getting the 2:1 he needed by the last bet?

[pokergripes]

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My question is, How could somebody make it to heads-up in a WSOP event after reading Cloutier's book, Championship NL and PL Holdem?

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I agree...it's yet another example of somebody who is a great player, but can't really teach what they do. So much of TJ's game is reading the particular situation (not perfectly all the time, obviously, but way better than us), that the caveat at the end of any poker "rule" of "but that's just usually, and it of course depends on the situation, players, reads, etc." makes it particularly worthless in the case of somebody who has a "rule" that they then disregard a lot of the time based on those soft factors, enabling them to win even though "only re-raise with AA or KK" would make them lose if they always did it that way...

However, his stuff is immensely entertaining due to the stories, color, etc., so I read it anyway and then sometimes re-raise with merely QQ if the situation warrents it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Bigdaddydvo]

TJ calls Pocket Queens "a small pair" in his book.

Please.

[Aceshigh7]

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TJ calls Pocket Queens "a small pair" in his book.

Please.

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Incorrect. TJ classifies big pairs as AA, KK, & QQ. He calls JJ a medium pair.

[Bigdaddydvo]

Find the section where he talks about his buddy from the Texas Road gambling days, when he'd win w/QQ, he'd announce "One Small Pair"

Not that 2+2 publishing needs any extra support around here, but their books are always so well thought out and organized. I bring this up to contrast the impressions you are giving of TJ's book. This extra level of structure and orgranization makes digesting information so much simpler by comparison.

Doyle is another author who writes about his feelings in a more free-flowing style. There is powerful insight in Super System, but the style of writing is inferior to S&M & HOH IMHO.

I imagine when I go and read SS for the second time it will offer me much more since I have many 1,000s more real hands under my belt than at last peruse.

[bones]

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It's full of amusing situations, bad beats, and great calls. And i mean, come on, that's just fun to read.

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I love reading about bad beats! Everytime a little IM box pops up, I get a tingle of anticipation, hoping it's someone telling me about how their aces got cracked by QJs.

Bah. Shitty book either way.