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Old 09-20-2005, 04:34 PM
QUADS4444 QUADS4444 is offline
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Default Harrington\'s call

Harrington Volume II, page 348,

Three handed STT NL.
Blinds 250/500
No reads.

Button (4140) raises to 1000.
SB (3480) folds.
Hero BB (2380) with Q6o.

Harrington recommends a CALL.

Does anybody else have a problem with this? Sure pot odds are tempting 3.5/1, but OOP with Q6o????? What are your minimum calling requirements here?
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:45 PM
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Default Re: Harrington\'s call

lemme tell you, they don't include Q6.
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:56 PM
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Well.. we are ITM. I can see a stop and go, but my first instinct is definitely fold.
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:58 PM
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I would only call this if I planned on stop-n-go on any flop. I don't use stop-n-go very often, but this looks like a good spot.

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Old 09-20-2005, 05:01 PM
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I would only call this if I planned on stop-n-go on any flop. I don't use stop-n-go very often, but this looks like a good spot.

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Well that's not Harrington's plan, he check/folds a JTx flop.
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Old 09-20-2005, 05:17 PM
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I would only call this if I planned on stop-n-go on any flop. I don't use stop-n-go very often, but this looks like a good spot.

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Well that's not Harrington's plan, he check/folds a JTx flop.

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i think thats a leak. holla
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Old 09-20-2005, 05:18 PM
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Default Re: Harrington\'s call

Harrington recommends a lot of stuff that you have to take with a grain of salt. Pushing in EP with KJo and 8 guys behind you just because your "M" is getting close to the red zone is ridiculous. Good book, but not everything is correct.

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Old 09-20-2005, 05:20 PM
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...yea it does. It's not even close, it's an easy call. What are you afraid of to not call a 3.5-to-1? You have better odds than that against JACKS. Sure you won't know if your queen is any good even if you hit it, but what does it matter? He doesn't know if his hand is any good either. You have to assume that any high pair is good when the blinds are that high.

...yea it does. It's not even close, it's an easy call. What are you afraid of to not call a 3.5-to-1? You have better odds than that against JACKS. Sure you won't know if your queen is any good even if you hit it, but what does it matter? He doesn't know if his hand is any good either. You have to assume that any high pair is good when the blinds are that high.

Edit: To answer the question about calling requirements, I would say Jack-crap is borderline. This is not because now you can be an underdog to a slightly larger field. It's because you should stuff your money in with medium pair or better when the blinds are this high, but a pair of jacks has a far bigger chance of losing to a better pair than a pair of queens.
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Old 09-20-2005, 05:20 PM
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Default Re: Harrington\'s call

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Harrington Volume II, page 348,

Three handed STT NL.
Blinds 250/500
No reads.

Button (4140) raises to 1000.
SB (3480) folds.
Hero BB (2380) with Q6o.

Harrington recommends a CALL.

Does anybody else have a problem with this? Sure pot odds are tempting 3.5/1, but OOP with Q6o????? What are your minimum calling requirements here?

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A couple months ago there was an entire thread on here tearing apart roughly 20 different scenarios presented in volume 2. The general consensus, from very good sit and go players, was that volume 1 was a much better book and that some of the things in volume 2 are just plain wrong.
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Old 09-20-2005, 05:23 PM
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...yea it does. It's not even close, it's an easy call. What are you afraid of to not call a 3.5-to-1? You have better odds than that against JACKS. Sure you won't know if your queen is any good even if you hit it, but what does it matter? He doesn't know if his hand is any good either. You have to assume that any high pair is good when the blinds are that high.

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hes not all in preflop. following yer advice you should call with any 2. that is just plain wrong. holla
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