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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
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getting raised here would make you vomit. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not terribly afraid of getting all-in here. It might be a leak, but I'm prepared to go down with the ship. |
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
I would say, that if you bet out and are raised on this turn, you are beat much too often to make the call profitable.
Does anyone agree with me? |
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
I am never ever ever leading this flop, especially with this many opponents, and especially. You will only get action from hands that have a good draw or hands that beat you, and if you get called you will have no idea where you are on the turn.
I either check/call or check/raise this flop depending on the aggressiveness of the person that's betting. Without a read, I check/call if there's an EP bettor, and check/raise if the bettor is in LP. This way I maximize the amount of money I get from bluffers and I don't bloat the pot when I'm more likely to be behind. If the flop checks around, I lead out no-A no-K turns for about 90 chips. I do lead out Q turns as well since most likely I will be put on a T and thus might get action from hands that would have folded the flop. |
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
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\ Without a read, I check/call if there's an EP bettor, and check/raise if the bettor is in LP. This way I maximize the amount of money I get from bluffers and I don't bloat the pot when I'm more likely to be behind. [/ QUOTE ] Very insightful, thank you. |
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
Preflop: ok
Flop: I bet smaller Turn: I always lead this turn as the typical player expects a standard "I made trips this street" check. I may even overbet here, but I don't think I have the balls. River: I like the check since you gave BB the lead. If I'd played this hand as described, I lead the again. |
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
I usually check these flops (and often check raise) but thats debatable. On the turn I would bet again. Your opponent probably has something to call you with, as the 3rd queen on board usually makes them feel like it's less likely that you hold a queen, and thus they will consider the situation unchanged from the flop. A bet of 200 should get at least called most of the time and should help to tie your opponent to the pot for the river. |
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
OK, here's what he had, and you'll see that my leading the flop was actually a blessing in disguise: 33
I think that if I had checkraised, he would have pushed, and I'd probably of folded. If you look at the hand from his perspective, I think I can see what he was thinking, but I don't like him not reraising the flop bet. It's kind of fortuitous that I misplayed this, because I think if I had taken a different line, I would have ended up folding. |
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
bet 2/3 pot on flop, and lead on turn, don't want a str8 draw checking behind
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
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I would say, that if you bet out and are raised on this turn, you are beat much too often to make the call profitable. Does anyone agree with me? [/ QUOTE ] I don't agree!! |
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
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It's kind of fortuitous that I misplayed this, because I think if I had taken a different line, I would have ended up folding. [/ QUOTE ] naa, checking still rules. Check/call, check/call, bet river. (I really don't like betting the flop into 3 opponents, by betting I feel we tell them the strenght of our holding, that is, a mediocre hand.) |
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