I still have alot to learn

[TheRake]

Can anyone help me play this hand better?
Party Poker Multi-table Limit HE 30+3
294 players top 30 make it to money

***** Hand History for Game 170155360 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (Limit) (Tournament 911346) - Sat Sep 13 13:02:26 EDT 2003
Table Multi-Table(3639) Table 1 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: TexasTea1 (4950)
Seat 2: TheRake5301 (3380)
Seat 3: ollie357 (4342)
Seat 4: UGLY1 (2876)
Seat 5: Game_Theory (7027)
Seat 6: Snooopy (10536)
Seat 7: bossC (3598)
Seat 8: Sickduck6 (5137)
Seat 9: plaaaer (3217)
plaaaer posts small blind (150)
TexasTea1 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheRake5301 [ As, Qh ]
TheRake5301 raises (600) to 600
ollie357 folds.
UGLY1 folds.
Game_Theory folds.
Snooopy folds.
bossC calls (600)
Sickduck6 folds.
plaaaer folds.
TexasTea1 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jc, Qd, 2s ]
TheRake5301 bets (300)
bossC calls (300)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4h ]
TheRake5301 bets (600)
bossC raises (1200) to 1200
TheRake5301 raises (1200) to 1800
bossC raises (1200) to 2400
TheRake5301 calls (600)
** Dealing River ** : [ 2h ]
TheRake5301 bets (80)
TheRake5301 calls all-In.
bossC calls (80)
Creating Main Pot with $7210 with TheRake5301
** Summary **
Main Pot: 7210 |
Board: [ Jc Qd 2s 4h 2h ]
TexasTea1 balance 4650, lost 300 (folded)
TheRake5301 balance 0, lost 3380 [ As Qh ] [ two pairs, queens and twos -- As,Qh,Qd,2s,2h ]
ollie357 balance 4342, didn't bet (folded)
UGLY1 balance 2876, didn't bet (folded)
Game_Theory balance 7027, didn't bet (folded)
Snooopy balance 10536, didn't bet (folded)
bossC balance 7428, bet 3380, collected 7210, net +3830 [ Jd Js ] [ a full house, Jacks full of twos -- Jd,Js,Jc,2s,2h ]
Sickduck6 balance 5137, didn't bet (folded)
plaaaer balance 3067, lost 150 (folded)

I really got outplayed here. I didn't put this guy on an overpair (AA or KK) because he didn't re-raise before the flop. Then he just called my bet after the flop. I put him on AQ AJ or maybe an under pair. never saw the jj coming. Bottom line is I blew my whole stack with only 24 players left to the money. If anyone has some insight I would appreciate it.

[JDErickson]

This sounds hauntingly familiar. Last night on Stars $3 NL tourney I was knocked out almost identically.

I was dealt QQ in late position and raised to 300 (early in tourney)(stack 1200, blinds 15/30), called by BB. Flop rags, I bet 600, called by BB. Turn J, I go all in, BB calls and flips JJ. River paired the boards. His full house beat my 2 pair. I went to bed early.

In my case I think I should have moved all-in BTF. See how bad he likes his J's. In your case I don't see anything you did wrong. Your opponent trapped you.

Jim

[sam h]

The big question is your turn play, which I might defend in an aggressive ring game but think is generally going to be poor in a tournament situation. Unless you had good prior knowledge that this player was very aggressive, I think three-betting is a mistake. The turn card isn't scary at all and the board is completely rainbow so he's unlikely to be semi-bluffing. If he has KQ then he's probably value betting on the river anyway so you'll still pick up a bet there. And if he's on a total bluff, he's likely to fire one more desperate barrel on the river, which nets you another bet too.

Yeah, call the turn and check-call the river here. You'll basically be forced all-in next hand on the BB if you lose, but that still leaves you with a shot.

[Copernicus]

Help is easy, but you wont take the advice until you lose a few more hands like this. Fold AQ in EP at a full table.

[NickS]

Copernicus hits the nail right on the head. AQo is a marginal hand to play UTG in NL. You might read this in a manual, but won't learn it till you get bushwacked a few times. Most of the time you lose a lot of chips or bust out in Nl it's because you got involved with a hand you shouldn't have in the first place. When you got raised and then RERAISED on 4th street what made you think your hand was still good? You should have folded at the first raise.

Don't feel bad, good players learn from mistakes. There's a chapter in John Feeney's book "Inside the Poker Mind" called "Do you pass the Ace-Queen test?" I think you might find it interesting. Also read Bob Ciafonne's "Pot Limit and No Limit Poker." Good luck!

[Guy McSucker]

Fold AQ in EP at a full table.

Really? This is limit poker. I would routinely raise AQ in EP and bet, bet, bet if I hit top pair on the flop unless something tells me to slow down.

I haven't played limit for some time, so this might be way off.

For no-limit, I hear ya loud and clear.

Guy.

[TheRake]

Thanks for the good advice. I will pick up the books you recomend. I am still a beginner (4-5 months now) and it is hard to understand sometimes when you look at your hand and see AQ that maybe the hand isn't as strong as it looks. When you are sitting there folding hand after hand and the blinds are eating away your stack AQ looks pretty good. And just for the record this was a limit tourney, but for all intensive purposes with the blinds going up so fast once I decide to play a hand it becomes the same type of situation as NL.

[tpir90036]

sounds like you just need to slow down on that raise button sometimes [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

seriously though, even if you only have a small idea on how this guy plays, you should be able to cobble together some information on this one. him capping points to his being able to beat top pair top kicker. unless you think he is putting a play on you he either has 22, QJ, JJ or QQ. with the JJ being the most likely for a number of reasons.

that being said, don't start seeing monsters under the bed every time someone raises you....but do take your thinking a few levels deeper when you can.

good luck!

[LDJ]

What do you play in EP paired AA, KK and QQ only?

[fnurt]

With only 5xBB in his stack, I don't think the situation was much different from no-limit.

That said, I don't think that with only 5xBB, you can afford to fold hands like AQ, early position or not.