($27) - Early JJ POST-flop...big pot, multiway

[bluefeet]

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Very early, no notes
$25+2 Turbo
Seat 1: (1820 in chips)
Seat 2: (1510 in chips)
Seat 3: (1390 in chips)
Seat 4: (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: (1540 in chips)
Seat 6: (1060 in chips)
<font color="blue">bluefeet (1480 in chips) </font>
Seat 8: (2000 in chips)
Seat 9: (1240 in chips)
bluefeet: posts small blind 15
Seat 8: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bluefeet [Jh Jd]
1 fold
Seat 1: calls 30
Seat 2: raises 90 to 120
Seat 3: calls 120
3 folds
bluefeet: calls 105
1 fold
Seat 1: calls 90
*** FLOP *** [6h Kc 7d] .............pot=510
<font color="blue">bluefeet: checks </font>
Seat 1: checks
Seat 2: bets 120
Seat 3: folds
<font color="blue">bluefeet: raises 150 to 270</font>
Seat 1: folds
Seat 2: calls 150
*** TURN *** [6h Kc 7d] [Tc] .............pot=1050
<font color="blue">bluefeet: ??? </font>


Ok. I don't disagree. I could/should have just as easily folded. But...

[FPS discussion following....all be it a little interesting I think]

He "only" bet about 1/4 the pot. With this size of a pot, the BB and the EP limp/caller having checked, still 3 other hands at the table, his c/b was a little fishy to me. It's almost too inviting. Either way scared/"damn, i have to bet something don't i?", or a monster like KK. I think even AA/AK would be value betting at least 1/2 here - having a PF cold-caller behind still to act. It just too small of a bet IMO, giving 6:1 (or better) back to the blind/EP.

When MP1 folded, the only other guy in the pot with me was UTG. Having limp/called PF, I didn't give him too much consideration. So...c/r seemed like an option.

This is where I got stuck a bit. IMO I should have raised a little more...with full intention of laying it down to a reraise, but enough to get him to laydown QQ, TT, etc. But then again, too strong might be a little fishy too. If I was confident in my hand, facing a likely HU to the turn, might I not encourage a call?

Well, as you can see, he did call. Hmmmm....

[Augie]

bluefeet,

This JJ hand of yours nicely illustrates how playing questionable hands OOP can be extremely difficult.

Summary: After you C/R, the pot is sitting at 1050, you have about 1100 in chips and your opponent about the same. The board is somewhat dicey, and you are out of position.

Now that he has called your checkraise, the pot size, and the stack sizes pose a real problem, I think. There is almost no bet that you can make that will allow you to get away from the hand if he raises. (Notice that if you check and he moves Allin, you are almost getting 2-1 on your money)

Considering that he raised preflop, bet the flop, and called your checkraise . . . he seems to like his hand some. Take this opportunity to check the turn.

If he bets, well, you are probably being milked at this point, but it's hard not to call a bet of say 250, with the odds you are getting.

Honestly, I don't have any answers, because I try to avoid these situations. In fact, aren't these the exact spots that the weaker players get themselves into, and bleed off their chips to the better players?

After he calls your C/R, you are almost forced into a check and call strategy; and calling, well, we don't want that to be our Station in life, do we?

Be good,

Augie