Overpair - waiting till turn to raise

ep510 · #1 09-15-2005, 02:36 PM

Villian is 54.8/25.8/1.2 over 30 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.70 BB.

#2 09-15-2005, 02:42 PM

I think people are going to be biased based on the turn action after your raise.

That being said, I can take it or leave it. This is more an example of slowplaying than the classical "wait for the turn to raise line". I like it a lot better with AA or KK on a less draw heavy board. With JJ your hand is vulnerable and there are going to be a lot of cards that you might be uneasy about raising.

ep510 · #3 09-15-2005, 02:53 PM

Do people fold to this 3-bet on the turn?

deception5 · #4 09-15-2005, 02:55 PM

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Not against this lag.

W. Deranged · #5 09-15-2005, 02:56 PM

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Do people fold to this 3-bet on the turn?

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Depends on the read, but if I think that my opponent is in the slightest bit tricky or if I think my opponent thinks I'm in the slightest bit tricky I'm probably calling down.

One thing to note is that often in this kind of situation opponents will check-raise the flop, knowing that you will bet, instead of betting right out. This is one thing that puts enough doubt into my head that villain has a T that I'll often call down.

If villain is EXTREMELY straightforward (always bets out good hands, never check-raises, never bluff-raises or pushes with draws, etc...) I can find a fold here.

W. Deranged · #6 09-15-2005, 02:57 PM

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Not against this lag.

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Yeah, against this guy, folding is totally out of the question. Sure, you'll be shown a T often, but you'll be shown random crap often as well. LAGs will increase your variance a whole lot because of situations like this but they'll also increase your bottom line in the long-run.

damaniac · #7 09-15-2005, 02:59 PM

Really nothing wrong with it. Sometimes I pop right on the flop, sometimes I wait. It has the nice effect of keeping people off balance. Plus it keeps him bluffing or semi-bluffing most of the time HU. Lastly, you get the extra SB for your work. There are downsides, and I wouldn't do it too often, but it's a fine play some of the time.