when to slow down? (10/20)

joseki · #1 09-12-2005, 05:29 PM

Villain is a 60/26/1.4 nut, but he can fold on the big streets. SB is LPP (57/7/0.3).

Raise the turn, right?

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (14.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Hero calls, SB folds, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

odawg09090 · #2 09-12-2005, 05:37 PM

Poppin the turn is a must here and i'm pretty weak tight myself.

sl4v3 · #3 09-12-2005, 05:43 PM

I think raising the turn and folding to a reraise is a good line. Get SB and UTG to fold or pay double for their straight draws.

New001 · #4 09-12-2005, 05:45 PM

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Villain is a 60/26/1.4 nut,

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Folding to a 3-bet from a guy like that in a giant pot with AA seems suboptimal here.

C-Dog · #5 09-12-2005, 05:56 PM

I dont play 10/20, but I dont think folding to a turn 3 bet is a good plan. You have tons of to beat the most likely holding of 2 Pair. And you pumped the pot with all that money you put while behind, so you have the odds.

C-Dog

mcvalenc · #6 09-12-2005, 05:57 PM

Yes, raise the turn and call down if 3bet.

7ontheline · #7 09-12-2005, 08:31 PM

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Yes, raise the turn and call down if 3bet.

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pfkaok · #8 09-12-2005, 08:48 PM

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Raise the turn, right?

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yes. big pot. more players left to act, you have to protect a vulnerable hand.

jph0424 · #9 09-12-2005, 09:26 PM

absolutely raise the turn and call down if 3 bet. Not raising here is very bad as you are against many opponents and have a very vulnerable hand.

grinin · #10 09-12-2005, 10:54 PM

I am sure I would probably auto 3 bet the flop when 3-4 tabling, but would anyone even consider flatcalling MP's flop raise and then pop him on a safe turn card to force SB to call two BB cold?

As it is, with SB so passive I would put him on at least a pair if not the OESD in order to bet out. Thus, for him to call 2 sb to win 15 will not be a mistake. Additionally, by three betting the flop you have sweetened the pot enough for it to be nearly correct for him to again call a raise on the turn with only a pair.