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River of Death
BB is Taggish (21/15/2.6 over 60 hands or so). Next is fishy (59/8/.95) and last of the four is neutral/very passive (21/0/.4).
This river sucked, and I wonder if I can find a fold here. It's not often that I find myself with these sorts of river decisions in pots with this many players hanging around. Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Deranged is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Deranged raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: (10 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Deranged bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls. Turn: (7 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Deranged bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, Button calls, BB calls. River: (11 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Deranged... |
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Re: River of Death
I don't think you have a lot to worry about. I bet you still have the best hand here. Now if it was a ace, I'd be more worried. Didn't Miller say in SSHE that people tend to play (and hold onto) ace-rag more often then king-rag?
I could be wrong, but I'd say that this is sure value bet. |
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Re: River of Death
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I don't think you have a lot to worry about. I bet you still have the best hand here. Now if it was a ace, I'd be more worried. Didn't Miller say in SSHE that people tend to play (and hold onto) ace-rag more often then king-rag? I could be wrong, but I'd say that this is sure value bet. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] |
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Re: River of Death
If BB is Tagish I think this is a fold. Heads Up, its close, but a TAG isn't bluffing a hand into a field of people who have been calling the whole way when the most obvious draw just got there.
I don't think you will be good 1 in 11 times so I fold. But hey, I'm new what do I know? |
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Re: River of Death
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a TAG isn't bluffing a hand into a field of people who have been calling the whole way when the most obvious draw just got there. [/ QUOTE ] uhh, the most obvious draw is the flush draw on the flop. I'd call. I don't see a raise here at all, though a fold might not be bad as he could've had J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and backed into a straight on the river. HU I'd call as he could be trying to push through a weaker queen(like QJs or Q10s) but I can't see what he'd be betting into you and another guy on this board. Yeah, I lean towards folding |
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Re: River of Death
Call, get shown K8o, QJs, a set or some other two pair, say nice hand and move on.
I would lean towards QJ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]-Q9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] personally and my call/fold would be based on what I want my observent oponents to see. However, I would expect to lose. |
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Re: River of Death
I cant imagine any hand that you beat that leads out this river. It looks like a flush that he doesn't wanted checked through.
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Re: River of Death
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[ QUOTE ] I don't think you have a lot to worry about. I bet you still have the best hand here. Now if it was a ace, I'd be more worried. Didn't Miller say in SSHE that people tend to play (and hold onto) ace-rag more often then king-rag? I could be wrong, but I'd say that this is sure value bet. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: River of Death
This really sucks. A guy with those stats over 60 or so odd hands probably doesn't bluff into 3 other people on the river here without something that beats 2PTK. So basically I puke a little and then fold here.
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Re: River of Death
By the way, with UTG+2 and button behind you this is a pretty easy fold.
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