Federal Response to Katrina FASTER than to Andrew, Hugo & Others

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STILL WRONG!

First the lie is he can't do it, then the lie is he can only do it to quell insurection.

WRONG!

Look at the SOP in case of National Disaster. When there is a National Disaster declared the President can summon the troops, no permission needed. That is why it is called a NATIONAL disaster. It has been that way every since the great San Fransisco Earthquake in, I believe, 1906.

I think you will see this ability for the "Commander in Chief" to control his forces was further strengthed in provisions of the Patriot Act, and the formation of the HomeLand Security Dept.

What is the sense of having a National centralized HomeLand Security Department if it is hamstrung by the will of 50 different State Governors.

BUT THANK YOU! You point out the fallacy of the great "President can't send troops without permission" lie by pointing out one of the many means in which he could have done it.

Funny, the President only worries about what the "liberals" will think when it agrees with something he wants to do or not do. He wasn't worried about what the "liberals" thought with any of his appointments, his tax cuts, his invasion of Iraq... But when it comes to saving American lives, better not offend the "liberals".

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Look at the SOP in case of National Disaster.

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Could you provide this, please? I don't feel like an easter egg hunt today.

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When there is a National Disaster declared the President can summon the troops, no permission needed.

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Prove it.

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I think you will see this ability for the "Commander in Chief" to control his forces was further strengthed in provisions of the Patriot Act, and the formation of the HomeLand Security Dept.

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The Nat'l Guard are not "his". They belong to the state.

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What is the sense of having a National centralized HomeLand Security Department if it is hamstrung by the will of 50 different State Governors.

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There's way more to the DHS than just federalizing the Guard.

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BUT THANK YOU! You point out the fallacy of the great "President can't send troops without permission" lie by pointing out one of the many means in which he could have done it.

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Many? There are very few circumstances in which the President can do this and I've yet to see one that applies. I'd like to see you back up your claim that POTUS can do this under the circumstances.

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This was declared Aug. 27th, so why the delay?

The Feds had an absoulte Duty to Act, Authorization to Act and Jurisdiction to Act

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
August 27, 2005

Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana
The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing.

The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn.

Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding.

Representing FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA (202) 646-4600.

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I’ll go slow and try to use small words so you can follow…..


Let’s start with your earlier post about the insurrection act – look at the bold (really black letters) for the part you missed/didn’t understand/ignored.

Quelling Civil Disturbances: The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C. § 331 et seq.)

* State and local governments have primary responsibility for quelling rebellions (32 C.F.R. § 215.4(a).

That’s the mayor and the governor

* The President may use the military (including the Federalized National Guard) to quell (1) civil disturbances in a State (upon the Governor's request),

The governor that needed an additional 24 hours to make up her mind

(2) rebellions that make it difficult to enforce Federal law

see above

, or (3) any insurrection that impedes a State's ability to protect citizens' constitutional rights and that State is unable to unwilling to protect these rights.

Both the mayor and the govenor said “all is well!”

* Before committing U.S. troops, the President must issue a proclamation for rebellious citizens to disperse, cease, and desist.

And the local authorities can object, basically vetoing the proclamation

Now, on to some other issues:

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This was declared Aug. 27th, so why the delay?

The Feds had an absoulte Duty to Act, Authorization to Act and Jurisdiction to Act

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The State and city had a hurricane plan – they didn’t follow it.


Louisiana gets more Federal money for Army Corps of Engineers flood control projects than any other state, 1.5 billion dollars but most of it was diverted by state and local politicians to other pork projects instead of NO levies.
Other states and agency had been reviewing the plan since the 90’s and had questioned the workability of it. Shove em’ all in the Superdome was the best they could come up with in 10 years????

Now finally….

The thing you either don’t want to understand or can’t is that FEMA, The Red Cross, The National Guard, even the Police and Fire Departments are reactionary services. This is why they are called responders They are activated after something happens. It’s even in the NO emergency plan not the expect help from FEMA for 72 to 96 hours after (now try real hard here) the event has ended. In other words you don’t stock a bunch of relief supplies in the area where the disaster might destroy them. Ask any emergency worker Fire/Rescue/Medical. One of the first rules in emergency response is to not become a victim yourself.

In any case FEMA is primarily a financial assistance agency They aren’t the one passing out the water and blankets, they are the one who spends tax money to help disaster victims recover financially.

The local rescue personnel, the local and state agencies plus (when the governor calls them out) the national guard are the ones with the water, blankets, food etc.

Finally……..

The National Guard, The US military and FEMA were in Louisiana faster than any other major hurricane, with a greater volume of personnel and materials. In 5 Days- more than 400,000 people were rescued/relocated/evacuated; order has been restored; The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans; so far less than 700 people have been killed (who knows how many of those were killed by looters) out of a city population of 448,000.

So, they got there faster, with more support than any other time and yet you still piss and moan.

What the hell do you want?

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Your entire post has nothing to do with the authority of the President to send National Guard into the State without permission from the Governor.

You do mention The Insurrection Act again, which was not needed, as the President has other authorities granted to him to send National Guard in this type of situation.

And Again --- You dispute the LIE yourself.

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* Before committing U.S. troops, the President must issue a proclamation for rebellious citizens to disperse, cease, and desist.


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Daddy Bush did just that. He issued a proclamation over the Rodney King riots, and federalized the California National Guard four hours later, over the objections of local authorities, during the Rodney King riots.

So put your hands over your ears -- chant LA-LA-LA-LA-LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU - LA-LA-LA-LA-LA -- and keep beliveing that the President can't federalize troops without permission for the State.

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Cut to the chase

The National Guard, The US military and FEMA were in Louisiana faster than any other major hurricane, with a greater volume of personnel and materials. In 5 Days- more than 400,000 people were rescued/relocated/evacuated; order has been restored; The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans; so far less than 700 people have been killed (who knows how many of those were killed by looters) out of a city population of 448,000.

So, they got there faster, with more support than any other time and yet you still piss and moan.

What the hell do you want?

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What the hell do you want?

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He wants something to blame Bush for. You know, to try to hide the corruption and utter incompetence of the previous administration probably.

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You do mention The Insurrection Act again, which was not needed, as the President has other authorities granted to him to send National Guard in this type of situation.

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I don't believe you. Prove this is so, because everything I've read so far has indicated that the President has no such power in these circumstances.

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Daddy Bush did just that. He issued a proclamation over the Rodney King riots, and federalized the California National Guard four hours later, over the objections of local authorities, during the Rodney King riots.

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The mayor requested federal troops and the governor approved. They DID request this federalization, which btw occured after the CANG had more or less accomplished the task of restorign law and order. I'm not sure which "local authorities" that objected you're talking about.

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So put your hands over your ears -- chant LA-LA-LA-LA-LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU - LA-LA-LA-LA-LA -- and keep beliveing that the President can't federalize troops without permission for the State.

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YOU have done nothing to support your contention that the President has such a power except point to an example that doesn't even support your conclusion.

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Liberals are always so angry, do some research before these posts please.

To all the conservatives, the liberals dont understand states rights, this is all a moot point in trying to explain it to them.

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To all the conservatives, the liberals dont understand states rights, this is all a moot point in trying to explain it to them.

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Wow, you've just framed the debate so accurately it amazing.