Top pair low kicker - decision on turn?

Griovejas · #1 09-08-2005, 01:39 AM

Check raise flop, check raise turn. I was thinking he was on draw after flop c-r. Should I just check the turn? Bet/fold?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
6 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, SB raises, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

PokerSparky · #2 09-08-2005, 01:58 AM

Against a normal villain you can fold to the turn raise.

Griovejas · #3 09-08-2005, 05:11 AM

was the turn bet correct?

lautzutao · #4 09-08-2005, 06:52 AM

I would have checked through the turn and called the river if he bet, but since you did bet and were raised I probably would have folded here.

jrz1972 · #5 09-08-2005, 09:32 AM

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I would have checked through the turn and called the river if he bet, but since you did bet and were raised I probably would have folded here.

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Redd · #6 09-08-2005, 09:42 AM

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was the turn bet correct?

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Turn bet is fine. Your hand is too vulnerable to risk a free card; I probably would have put him on an OESD too.

Redd · #7 09-08-2005, 10:24 AM

I think fewer people would be saying to check the turn if we cut off the action after the bet.

jrz1972 · #8 09-08-2005, 10:31 AM

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I think fewer people would be saying to check the turn if we cut off the action after the bet.

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No, I've seen villain's play often enough at this limit that I've grown very suspicious of the turn check.

If you're aggressive postflop (like any 2+2er), your more observant opponents will notice that you like to bet a lot, and they'll start check-raising you. I know I get check-raised all the time. I've had numerous opponents go for (and sometimes achieve [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] ) the trifecta against me.

Furthermore, there aren't that many .5/1 players who would check-raise this flop with an oesd. A donkishly played TP is far more likely than a draw, at least in my experience.

The way to punish donks is to take the free card when they offer it, suck out on them, and then tell them that pokar is easy.

MATT111 · #9 09-08-2005, 07:03 AM

SBs line is pretty strange. Do you have any reads on him?
Without a read I would have bet the turn and called a raise. I would have bet the river.

Griovejas · #10 09-08-2005, 07:50 AM

I found it pretty damn strange too. I had played only 3 hands with him on the table.

He showed AJos. Like I said, pretty damn strange.