KK, 3/6 NL i suxors

[technologic]

three limpers to hero in the LP with KK, i make it 30 to go.

three callers.

relevant stacks EP ~400, MP2 ~500 hero has them covered.

flop 356.

EP bets 25, MP1 folds, MP2 makes it 75, hero calls, EP calls.

turn 2.
EP moves in, MP2 moves in, hero admires the beauty of his kings one last time before tossing them into the muck.

Why not raise the flop to chase out the straight draws? Good fold on the turn.

[technologic]

i guess i'm wondering what the ranges of the holdings of a weak lead and the raise of EP and MP mean, and if reraising the flop is a good play.

[AZK]

I know this will sound ridiculous, but muck the flop. People play so passively/abc/generally don't get out of line at this level that I think you can safely muck. Someone leads into the pfr and another person raises, unless your image is ridiculous, what do you put them on? Someone has a 4 and the other guy has TT? Doubtful.

After showdown check out what they had, if I'm wrong, make a note, otherwise, just move on...I used to/still do throw away so much money trying to steamroll with 1 pair after raising preflop...

[AZK]

I don't think 3betting the flop is a good idea. TT folds and a better hand calls.

[technologic]

heh, you don't think ppl limp with JJ/QQ?

i see your point somewhat, that some players play their hands face up at this level and it's easy to control the situation. but wouldn't you agree that there are still some that play ridiculously bad at this level that a call/raise is warranted?

[Scorpion Man]

I would fold this turn and not give it a second thought. I would think you have the best hand here maybe 10-15% of the time. The rest of the time villains should have either A4x, 33/44/55/66 maybe mixed in with an overpair. Once in a while someone will even wake up with 65s.

I think you call the flop and "see what happens" on the turn. But folding is definitely an option. The problem is that many people will bet a 4 here (I won't) and the raiser could be on 99. Once these folks get 2 callers they might really slow down and you are in late position so you might get to the end of the hand without a lot more betting.

There is an exponentially greater chance of you being behind to 2 of these guys as opposed to one, IMO.

I think raising the flop is a real mistake.

[creedofhubris]

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flop 356.

EP bets 25, MP1 folds, MP2 makes it 75, hero calls, EP calls.

turn 2.
EP moves in, MP2 moves in, hero admires the beauty of his kings one last time before tossing them into the muck.

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There's nothing particularly bad about the line you took.

[mikech]

raise more preflop, at least a pot-raise to 40. otherwise it's fine.

[muzungu]

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Someone has a 4 and the other guy has TT? Doubtful.

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Actually, I think this is pretty reasonable. EP makes a tiny blocking bet, MP looks at his small overpair, thinks he might be good, and makes a small raise to isolate. Sure, this is not always the case, but there is $225 in the pot already, that is enough of an incentive that I wouldn't give up just yet.

Now, calling seems reasonable, but the problem with that is when the turn blanks, EP checks, and MP bets again. Now what? To avoid this, I like 3-betting small ($150?). Now EP is caught in a squeeze, and will drop any drawing hand. If either of them plays back, you have an easy fold. Not the prettiest spot, but i like it better than calling or folding.

-muz