People I talk to think this is an easy laydown?

Fryguy · #1 09-05-2005, 07:27 PM

I'll put the LC part at the top of the post. 3rd time this session (20 minutes so far) that I've lost with a full house. Getting annoying that my big downswing is going to extend further than 4000 hands it seems.

Talked to a couple of people (non 2+2) and they all thougth it was an easy laydown.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO raises, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, CO calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.25 BB

hizo1 · #2 09-05-2005, 07:31 PM

I don't think this is an easy lay down at this limit. What's your read on villain?

chiachu · #3 09-05-2005, 07:31 PM

id just call the river raise.

im not seeing the easy lay down though

numeri · #4 09-05-2005, 07:32 PM

Usually, a flop call and turn raise by the PFR is bad news for you. On the turn, what hand range do you put CO on? Unless you think he'd raise this turn with AK or 99, you're not good here very often. You might split with KT-JT if CO is aggressive pre-flop. If anything, call the turn and check/call the river. The A most likely did not help you.

moodifier · #5 09-05-2005, 07:33 PM

The river is over-played massively. At what point do your ppl think this is an easy lay down? I do not understand the question.

numeri · #6 09-05-2005, 07:36 PM

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id just call the river raise.

im not seeing the easy lay down though

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Do you think the A helps us often enough to bet/call here?

BatsShadow · #7 09-05-2005, 07:40 PM

I do.

If I was villain, I could VERY easily play this hand the same way (until the river) with JJ or KK.

Once he raises the A on the river, I think you just call though. I would expect to win this sometimes, but lose most of the time.

#8 09-05-2005, 07:41 PM

Grunch:

Not being sarcastic, but I'm missing something here. Why does someone think this is an easy laydown? Is it because of the threat of quads? I don't think I would ever lay this hand down.

I would have re-raised the turn, despite the quad threat. I don't think he automatically has a Queen in his hand, and your hand is very strong. His preflop raise could have been any number of hands that did not include a Queen. I like your other plays.

chiachu · #9 09-05-2005, 07:44 PM

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id just call the river raise.

im not seeing the easy lay down though

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Do you think the A helps us often enough to bet/call here?

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When i first posted, i thought yes.
Now after thinking about it some more, i think its alot closer then i first thought.
I still think theres a better chance that he has KK/JJ/Tx than AA/Qx... but im not sure if enough to justify a bet.

Mr. Zero · #10 09-05-2005, 07:51 PM

Laydown?

I think I probably 3 bet the turn. He caps, I plan on calling the river UI.

Once the Ace hits, I think I play the river the same. Unless I have some ultra specific read, no way I'm giving him credit for quads/AA.