QQ/KK bad boards

[DaveB]

These hands were both from a 4/8 game in Vegas. Table is mostly passive/typical.

I raise black QQ from the BB after a few limpers. 4 people see the flop of T-6-4 all hearts. I bet, 2 MP callers. Turn is another low heart. What is my plan now?

Second hand, I raise black KK in the SB after some limpers. Again 4 people to the flop of A-9-4 all diamonds. Bet/check?

[toss]

First hand check/fold. Passies won't bet without the flush.

Second hand I'd check/fold right out.

[Klepton]

although it sucks, check fold the turn on the first one

the second one, no one has shown that they have an ace, so bet and see what happens

if you get raised you could fold without peeling

I think the first hand is an easy check/fold, you are almost never good here.

The second hand I would check/fold.
Depending on read I might however raise a late position bettor, since he could be betting T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] - K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] as well as the A, or maybe even bluffing the scary board.

This is rather marginal though and probably me being to aggressive

[Kevroc]

1. what about NOT raising PF and c/r the flop?

2. this time raise PF and either c/r or c/f flop

just some ideas...