Does anybody play this hand differently, or am I doomed to go broke?

[LethalRose]

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Ok, CLayton i dont know what your talking about.

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u need to raise to atleast 200 pf. why do you want a multiway pot with JQ. WTF

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LOL...

[mrh86]

Thanks for the advice, but let me go back to another question I asked earlier. What requirements would there have to be in order to limp with a small or medium pair in early or middle position and then call a raise in a tournament? I know that your chances of hitting a set with these on the flop are 8:1, which means that it usually isn't profitable to play for set value without those odds, unless you're playing a borderline high pair.

[Rekwob]

implied odds

[ClaytonN]

Good question,

the general parameter is that you will get paid off 15 times that of your investment. this will vary dpeendant upon the stack sizes relative to the blinds and the amt. of opponents in the pot. The 66 hand you mentioned looks very close to me, because you are essentially playing exclusively for set value.

[mrh86]

I've always been skeptical about counting on implied odds in tournament situations, because you will have blown quite a few chips by the time you hit your set in these situations, and you'd probably be better off folding. I guess it might be okay to do in the first few levels of blinds though. Thanks for the advice.

[blufish]

kanye west is an absolute prick... nice pic

[DireWolf]

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kanye west is an absolute prick... nice pic

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if i had to guess, i'd say u were republican. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[betgo]

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Thanks for the advice, but let me go back to another question I asked earlier. What requirements would there have to be in order to limp with a small or medium pair in early or middle position and then call a raise in a tournament. I know that your chances of hitting a set with these on the flop are 8:1, which means that it usually isn't profitable to play for set value without those odds, unless you're playing a borderline high pair.

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With deep money and multiway action, you are getting plenty of implied odds for a set, the money you make after the flop. You don't need 8-way action to make playing 22 profitable. Also, he had put in 30 and only has to put in another 60, so he is getting great pot odds. No one is going to fold to that kind of raise, certainly not a pair.

If you raised to 200, he should probably fold 22, unless it looks like it will be about 5-way. You have reduced the field and also made the money shallower.

If you put in a big raise, 22 could push on a semibluff, rather than fold. That would be dangerous, as you are representing a big pair, but it might be playable sometimes.

Since you also have a speculative hand, you also want to keep the money deep, which is one reason your pot building raise was so bad.

[betgo]

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I've always been skeptical about counting on implied odds in tournament situations, because you will have blown quite a few chips by the time you hit your set in these situations, and you'd probably be better off folding. I guess it might be okay to do in the first few levels of blinds though. Thanks for the advice.


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If you don't believe in implied odds, why don't you fold QJs?

[blufish]

actually, i'm a conservative, so to me, this current crop of republicans are about as useful as the lefties...