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Capping makes sense when you've got more than one opponent. Period. The more involved, the more sense it makes.
Reads mean nothing, since you're seeing the river no matter. |
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If you've seen UTG limp-RR before, this is prefect. You're Aces and Kings are good enough to give you the equity need to cap this flop. I'd play it the same.
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Did you not see that UTG limp/reraised us here? I am not comfortable with my ace or king outs. [/ QUOTE ] Neither am I. I believe the clubs are your only outs. [ QUOTE ] Reads would be helpful from OP. (ie. is BB a total donk or could he be sitting on a set here?) [/ QUOTE ] I believe you are right on, unless he also has clubs. |
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This is why reads are soooo important to playing hands. [/ QUOTE ] With the players playing this bad, I believe "reads" go out the window as being worthless. [ QUOTE ] With no reads I think capping is a clear mistake, with these in mind though, it's not terrible. [/ QUOTE ] I believe he has a read. The player who open-limped UTG and then re-raised. If he doesn't have AA, then it's AK |
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Neither am I. I believe the clubs are your only outs. [/ QUOTE ] Did you read my post with reads? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] The only time he showed down a limp/re-raise he had AJo. |
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[ QUOTE ] Reads would be helpful from OP. (ie. is BB a total donk or could he be sitting on a set here?) [/ QUOTE ] Read on UTG UTG joined the table after I sat down. He bought in short at 132.50 (telling me it's his whole account balance). He posted BB as the CO on his first hand. He did show down a limp re-raise once and showed J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Though he check-called when he missed the flop. His VPIP was 64%. Read on BB BB a donk. He had a stat of 54% VPIP. He started the hand shortstacked with $61.19 that seemed to be all he had. Here is a good example of his donkish-ness. He is the <font color="red">small blind</font> in this hand: Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $4. UTG (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (4.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks. Turn: (2.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks. River: (2.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB calls, Hero folds, UTG folds. Final Pot: 4.16 BB Results below: SB has 6c 9h (one pair, jacks). <font color="red"> Why did he call the river with nine high?</font> Button has Ah 6s (one pair, jacks). Outcome: Button wins 4.16 BB. [/ QUOTE ] Im curious why you didn't bet the turn here. |
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Im curious why you didn't bet the turn here. [/ QUOTE ] With a 2BB pot, it's not profitable to bet 1BB here. If anyone had a 7 or a J, they weren't likely to bet them on the flop, but they may call or raise here. Thinking players might bluff-raise forcing me to fold and I don't even have position to take a free showdown. Let's say someone with AJ calls. I check the river and he bets. Then what? I probably would have called the river had the SB not called. |
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If you're talking about pre-flop the cap is good because often the limp reraise is with suited connectors or trash, and there are other players involved who likely have trash that we are thrashing. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with everything you said in your post except this. I find it hard to believe (as I can't remember seeing, first hand, a player re-raise EP with suited connectors preflop, much less trash.)that UTG re-raised preflop with KQs against only two opponents. Unless, the players are so bad, he figures they either have Ax, with x being less than a Q, or he has two overcards to whatever they have. Isn't he just reducing his implied odds by re-raising preflop? Now, Hero just recently arrived at the game, so it could be that he considers him as nothing but another fish. |
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Im curious why you didn't bet the turn here. [/ QUOTE ] I believe, that in situations like this, you make more money ck/calling with weak hands like this, then getting out of line. It accomplishes a lot more, even if you don't win the hand. I would have called the river for the purpose of declaring what I called the river with, not with the expectation of winning. |
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[ QUOTE ] Neither am I. I believe the clubs are your only outs. [/ QUOTE ] Did you read my post with reads? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] The only time he showed down a limp/re-raise he had AJo. [/ QUOTE ] No, I did not read that post before replying. You were in a very juicy game. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] |
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