Call or fold this QQ?

[AbelM]

***** Hand History for Game 2634865494 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Trny:15356122 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Thursday, September 01, 13:25:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 12342 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: ghimli ( $1380 )
Seat 2: redcow21 ( $340 )
Seat 3: crusader3 ( $865 )
Seat 5: kurz51 ( $2275 )
Seat 6: iki20 ( $830 )
Seat 7: xEl_Caballox ( $1050 )
Seat 8: philmo67 ( $480 )
Seat 9: HUGESODAS ( $850 )
Seat 10: Groningen1 ( $1930 )
Trny:15356122 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Groningen1 [ Qh Qc ]
iki20 folds.
xEl_Caballox folds.
philmo67 folds.
HUGESODAS folds.
Groningen1 raises [150].
ghimli folds.
redcow21 folds.
>You have options at Table 12782 Table!.
crusader3 folds.
>You have options at Table 14454 Table!.
kurz51 calls [100].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ks, Tc, Td ]
kurz51 bets [450].
>You have options at Table 12782 Table!.
Your time bank will become active in less than 20 seconds. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
>You have options at Table 12782 Table!.
Groningen1 will be using his time bank for this hand.

Easy fold. And a good example of how sometimes being first to act can be the better position.

He called your preflop raise. He put the pressure on you with a scary flop. He could be bluffing, but he could easily have a T or a K which would make you basically drawing dead to a Q. Plus he has your stack covered.

[multifast1]

I certainly don't play the $215's nor do I multi-table them! BUT, to me it looks like he's got AT and is hoping you had AK, KQ or will push with any pair.. I'm smelling trap. He could be using his position to pressure you but I don't see him risking about 1/4 his stack to win about t250...

[Oluwafemi]

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fold.

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[Scuba Chuck]

Any reads?

Where I play, a bet like this is trying to 'tell' me that he has a K. Maybe not a great K, but a K none the less.

[Apathy]

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I certainly don't play the $215's nor do I multi-table them! BUT, to me it looks like he's got AT and is hoping you had AK, KQ or will push with any pair.. I'm smelling trap. He could be using his position to pressure you but I don't see him risking about 1/4 his stack to win about t250...

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Note the pot is 325 not 250.

I would fold but I think you are folding the best hand here very often. I would fold becuase of my stack size though.

[multifast1]

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Note the pot is 325 not 250.

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You missed my point. My line of thinking was either:

A) He had you beat based on the flop - either a K ot T
B) He's bluffing and planned on this move even before calling the raise pre-flop.. meaning he was risking about 1/4 of his stack to win t225 (~250) in chips that we already out there.

Effectively though, you're right. It comes down to stack size as to why you lay it down.

[AbelM]

This was exactly what i thought, so the real question might be: will he fold his weak K if i go allin?

[durron597]

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Note the pot is 325 not 250.

I would fold but I think you are folding the best hand here very often. I would fold becuase of my stack size though.

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[Scuba Chuck]

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This was exactly what i thought, so the real question might be: will he fold his weak K if i go allin?

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Can't this question be answered with math? If I had to make a guess at the answer, the results will be one where your expected stack will be close to or slightly less than your current stack.

I don't know how crafty players can be at your level, but I could only imagine hands like K9o+ calling, or maybe K5s+ calling. Anyway, if we give him any credit, then that narrows it down to just K9+.

Your current stack is very pretty.