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Quick flop peel question
new table.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $3. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, CO (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls. Flop: (15.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls, Hero...? If I had the 7 of diamonds I call in a second. But without, our hand gets devalued. Are my odds good enough to call, even counting the times i hit a set and someone else hits a flush? |
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Re: Quick flop peel question
closing the action ill make that call as we're almost certainly drawling very live and if a 7 comes we can certainly get paid off. with the pot this large a 7 of diamonds doesn't even hurt as we certainly will have odds to draw to pairing the river/another 7.
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Re: Quick flop peel question
With no reads and two raisers I would fold this preflop.
That said, the lack of a raise on the flop almost eliminates the worry that someone is holding two diamonds so the pot odds + implied odds are good enough. |
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Re: Quick flop peel question
preflop is interesting as i would have folded, but now i'm not so sure.
if we were CO/Button and UTG raised and there were 3 other cold callers, we cold call right? well our call in BB is almost just like that. however: position and the possibility that UTG will cap or that the poster will fold...i don't know. i'm waffling. Flop: our position on the flop bettor makes this a good place to peel. but i'm waffling here too. there are soo many cards that could come and ruin our hand even if we hit our 7 on the turn. i would think reverse odds would kill our hand beyond the fact that we are still behind in the odds we need to call this flop to begin with. |
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Re: Quick flop peel question
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That said, the lack of a raise on the flop almost eliminates the worry that someone is holding two diamonds so the pot odds + implied odds are good enough. [/ QUOTE ] This is not my experience. Of course it depends on reads, but I think many players would just call with two dimonds here. |
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Re: Quick flop peel question
I am not so sure about calling here. You do not have the direct pot odds to draw to a set, so you have to rely on implied odds. But one of your two outs (the 7d) is tainted. First of all, there is the risk that it gives someone a flush. Seciond, if it doesn't it sets up a redraw that will come in on the river 8 times in 48 (I'm not counting the 6d which fills you up). In addition, you have to consider the possibility of a made set of tens being slowplayed by a donk, which would have you drawing dead.
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