Anyone else noticed this JTs BS?

Bremen · #1 08-27-2005, 07:03 PM

If everyone limps to me in the BB I'd probably rather be holding JTs than AA. Although even in that situation I doubt JTs is that huge a money maker over AA (if it even is, its just alot easier to play ;0)

Although he might just be right. That kind of hand sucks out on my high pockets more often than any other.... lol

Jdanz · #2 08-27-2005, 07:08 PM

WRONG

Bremen · #3 08-27-2005, 07:21 PM

Aren't we a mood killer

Go Blue · #4 08-27-2005, 07:41 PM

It's clearly not as good as QTs. (By the way, I know I didn't raise on the turn and I should have (perhaps on the flop too). So hold that comment.)

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $1. CO posts a blind of $1.
UTG (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB completes, BB raises, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG raises, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Ad Ah (one pair, aces).
UTG has Kh 9h (two pair, kings and nines).
Hero has Qs Ts (straight, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins 18.50 BB.

bravos1 · #5 08-27-2005, 07:53 PM

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It's clearly not as good as QTs. (By the way, I know I didn't raise on the turn and I should have (perhaps on the flop too). So hold that comment.)

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $1. CO posts a blind of $1.
UTG (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB completes, BB raises, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG raises, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Ad Ah (one pair, aces).
UTG has Kh 9h (two pair, kings and nines).
Hero has Qs Ts (straight, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins 18.50 BB. 

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BB would not even cap with AA?? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Go Blue · #6 08-27-2005, 08:28 PM

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BB would not even cap with AA??

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Exactly. Both of them threw in a little something into the chat box after that hand. And I normally don't talk while multitabling, but I said something about how they both played their hands quite badly. That shut them up. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

MicroBob · #7 08-29-2005, 01:54 PM

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And I normally don't talk while multitabling, but I said something about how they both played their hands quite badly. That shut them up.

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ummmmm.....good job????

Ryan Z · #8 08-27-2005, 07:54 PM

Page 46-7 of Ed Miller's book...granted it's not the Bible, but charts are so much harder to argue with. In my last 10,000 on PT, AA has taken 2.67BB/hand, AQs 1.91BB/hand, KK 1.84 BB/hand, AJs 1.27 BB/hand, AKo 1.01BB/hand. These have been my most profitable hands. Granted, I'm not a pro and this is a smallish selection, but still, the correlation seems to sit here with high pocket pairs and Ace paint. Just my two cents, not sure if it's incredibly coherent. Hope it was worth your reading.

Bremen · #9 08-27-2005, 08:24 PM

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AJs 1.27 BB/hand,

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I hate you. I'm actually losing money on AJs over 30k hands. AJo is a winner though, gotta love variance.

SoCalRugger · #10 08-29-2005, 03:59 PM

AA 2.62 BB/hand
KK 1.44 BB/hand
QQ 1.36 BB/hand
AKs 1.25 BB/hand
JTs 0.02 BB/hand