Only Thing "Scientifically Proven" About Lance Armstrong...

[Clarkmeister]

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Greg lemmond was very popular in france. Wasn't he american?


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Yes, but IIRC he rode for a French team.

[Roy__Batty]

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How in the world can we NOT think Lance was blood doping?

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but this, this is stupid. maybe because he's been tested almost non stop for the last 7 years? because he's had an entire national media on his back for the better part of a decade and they barely have scraps on him?

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tests are designed to let people cheat
only idiots who don't know how to cheat properly are caught. These are mostly marginals, people who don't train with the other members of their team, people who have their own doctor etc...Those who follow the team guideline can get away with it.

[Roy__Batty]

i think that's right
there's always an explanation lol
that'is not enough to explain most winners were populars and not armstrong
thats doesn't explain why rumors are so persistent as concerns armstrong

[MrFeelNothin]

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If lance had failed a drug test, we would have found out about it a little earlier. It doesn't make any sense. Plus they're 6 year old B samples, and with the number of people who want to frame Lance youre going to need more than that to convince me. Why would there be 6 year old positive samples lying around? makes no sense...

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I think you missed the point.........these samples had never been tested for EPO. They were B-samples, which are backups to ensure the correct results if the A-samples test positive.

Doubts linger in my mind for many reasons, the main two being:
1. The testing procedure that was used has been known to create false positives.
2. EPO is not stable in urine and I don't think it could be legitimately detected 7 years after the sample was taken.

[Victor]

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Greg lemmond was very popular in france. Wasn't he american?


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Yes, but IIRC he rode for a French team.

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this is true and lemond also let his french teammate bernard hinault win his last tour.

[Clarkmeister]

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thats doesn't explain why rumors are so persistent as concerns armstrong

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Seeing as his testing record is impeccable, there really is nothing other than jealousy to explain the rumors.

[Roy__Batty]

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If lance had failed a drug test, we would have found out about it a little earlier. It doesn't make any sense. Plus they're 6 year old B samples, and with the number of people who want to frame Lance youre going to need more than that to convince me. Why would there be 6 year old positive samples lying around? makes no sense...

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I think you missed the point.........these samples had never been tested for EPO. They were B-samples, which are backups to ensure the correct results if the A-samples test positive.

Doubts linger in my mind for many reasons, the main two being:
1. The testing procedure that was used has been known to create false positives.
2. EPO is not stable in urine and I don't think it could be legitimately detected 7 years after the sample was taken.

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interesting.
Looks like we'll have to wait a few months to get a counter analysis and sure reliable results.

[Roy__Batty]

this was more like u help me this time and i help you win the next.
"let him win" is a a strong assumption, as it assumes lemmond was in best shape than hinault and was the legitimate contender.
Hinault claimed later he could have won the next tour but , having given his word to lemmond, helped him in his last tour.

[Victor]

you are totally wrong. in one stage lemond was sooooo far ahead that he woulda sealed a victory for himself. instead, at the urging of his team dircector, lemond slowed down so that hinault would win.

[Roy__Batty]

ur right
had to search the web to be sure
i was too young that year to watch the tour