Really need some guidance on these UI overcards

cmwck · #1 08-25-2005, 05:09 PM

These situations plague me every rotation it seems.

I didn't think this was a good flop to bet at, given that it's 4-way and the flop is mildly coordinated. I seriously considered raising the turn but I had no time at this high speed table to think it through so I just folded. Weak?

Hand #1:
BB is very loose and has normal aggression.
PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP checks.

Turn: (4 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero folds...

Is this a good call on the end? Is it good to take the 14% odds that he has missed overs as well and is bluffing?

Hand #2:
Poster is unknown.

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
2 folds, CO (poster) checks, 2 folds, Hero raises, CO calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (5.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

einbert · #2 08-25-2005, 05:13 PM

Hand #1: The flop is tricky. Just about any two cards are calling you here and you'll have no idea where you're at. I don't know if betting or checking is correct.

On the turn, you have a great opportunity to raise for a free showdown. There's a very good chance BB is betting with a hand you beat, and you want to charge anyone to try to draw out on you on this board. I would raise it for sure and that would be the last bet I would put in the pot unless I improved.

Hand #2:
You can't possibly play it any other way. This guy has shown nothing but weakness, check calling every street (including preflop [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]). He will call the turn drawing too often, and a great card hit for you on the river. There is no question that you must call the river bet.

jba · #3 08-25-2005, 05:15 PM

hand 1 I bet the flop every time, if just to try to buy the button/free river.

the second one is pretty tough, I used to call there a lot, recently I've been folding a lot. Not sure which is correct but without a read it is very close.

sammy_g · #4 08-25-2005, 05:26 PM

Hand 2 I fold the river in this particular spot because there was no draw on the flop and this guy posted. The T isn't the only card that could have paired him. He might have a 2 or 5.

If the flop was two-tone and the guy didn't post, I call the river against an unknown.

Cancuk · #5 08-25-2005, 05:59 PM

I bet the flop in the first hand, check the turn, re-evaulate.

In the second hand...I think your beat, but i would call against an unknown for future info.
cheers.

Womble · #6 08-25-2005, 06:13 PM

Dont bet the flop in hand #1. This bet serves no purpose with 3 opponents. Many will call with overs and you want to see another card cheaply.

Hand 2, I do the same but hate it.