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#12
08-25-2005, 01:36 PM
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Re: Party 10/20: trips facing ridiculous overbet
It's a common play with 44 or AJ hoping you'll pay him off with a J.
Good fold. Not enough money in the pot to really be too worried about this one. 
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#14
08-25-2005, 02:00 PM
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Re: Party 10/20: trips facing ridiculous overbet
if this was a normal flop lead from the blinds followed by a normal raise from MP in standard table conditions, then most of what people have been saying would make sense. but the bet and raise need to be interpreted given the description of what had been happening at the table. if small leads into large fields had been getting liberally raised, it's likely villain expected to be raised by a wide range of hands.
hero's raise really doesn't show any more strength than a bet after a check. he could be doing this with a pocket pair smaller than Jacks, hearts, air, etc. if the villain had simply check-raised all-in would everyone still be advocating a fold the same way? given the presense of a 2-flush i think it is less likely a flopped full-house plays this way, though clearly he only has to have one a small percentage of the time for calling to be a mistake.
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#15
08-25-2005, 02:03 PM
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Re: Party 10/20: trips facing ridiculous overbet
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holding a J is NOT TOP SET also, EVERYONE ignored the table dynamic good grief, im going to give up on you guys really soon [/ QUOTE ] A "set" requires the use of both holes cards. This is not a set, but "trips", which requires only one of the players hole cards. As usual, kag has targeted the problem of the table dynamics. Since there is a lot of min betting on the flop and the turn a raise has generally taken the pot down, either on the flop or the turn. Although the BB has not been seen doing this (100 hands) he could be taking advantage of this situation by making this min bet for the first time, encouraging a raise, then he lowers the boom for a flat steal. Since this is a limped pot the BB could do this with air, or a weaker J. So, in view of the table dynamics, BB could easily be making a move and since you have such a strong holding a call may indeed be profitable. kag, am I getting warm?
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#16
08-25-2005, 02:11 PM
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Re: Party 10/20: trips facing ridiculous overbet
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As usual, kag has targeted the problem of the table dynamics. Since there is a lot of min betting on the flop and the turn a raise has generally taken the pot down, either on the flop or the turn. Although the BB has not been seen doing this (100 hands) he could be taking advantage of this situation by making this min bet for the first time, encouraging a raise, then he lowers the boom for a flat steal. Since this is a limped pot the BB could do this with air, or a weaker J. So, in view of the table dynamics, BB could easily be making a move and since you have such a strong holding a call may indeed be profitable. [/ QUOTE ] if a guy is habitually minibetting the flop and folding to a raise, i dont think he's suddenly gonna get the balls to go crazy with a mega-bluff. most likely, he's gettin frustrated, flops the nuts, and then drops the hammer so he can "teach you a lesson" for raising him all the time.
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#17
08-25-2005, 02:23 PM
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Re: Party 10/20: trips facing ridiculous overbet
hand strength cant be considered in a vacuum
obviously KJ here doesnt justify putting in your stack but, really, what does except for the nuts? its all situational
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#18
08-25-2005, 04:47 PM
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Re: Party 10/20: trips facing ridiculous overbet
just wondering, if hero had AJ, does he call.
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#20
08-25-2005, 05:03 PM
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Re: Party 10/20: trips facing ridiculous overbet
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[ QUOTE ] holding a J is NOT TOP SET also, EVERYONE ignored the table dynamic good grief, im going to give up on you guys really soon [/ QUOTE ] A "set" requires the use of both holes cards. This is not a set, but "trips", which requires only one of the players hole cards. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, so why did you say 'top set'.
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