AJ on KJx board

marand · #1 08-25-2005, 09:32 AM

UTG is loose bad and passive
Button is loose and bad. (Didn't know if he liked to bluff or not)

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (9 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Thoughts?

#2 08-25-2005, 09:43 AM

I really would concidering folding on the river... The button could be bluffing his busted flushdraw if he is a donk. Otherwise he got a K or a 4. And I really think UTG have a K with a semi kicker since he bet the flop and called the river.

marand · #3 08-25-2005, 09:46 AM

Yes, I thought about folding the river. I can really only win if button bluffs and the UTG donk has Jx or some freak pocket pair or something. But the put is giving me 15-1 so I called.

#4 08-25-2005, 09:52 AM

If u belives u would win 1 in 15, u made the right decision... I think I would fold.

marand · #5 08-25-2005, 09:53 AM

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If u belives u would win 1 in 15, u made the right decision... I think I would fold.

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Ok, thanks for your thoughts.

dave44 · #6 08-25-2005, 11:20 AM

If UTG is passive, I don't think it would be a crime to just call the flop. For your raise to be correct, you have to be ahead a decent amount of the time, but I think you're rarely ahead here. Maybe QJ or JT he'd bet.

Ser William · #7 08-25-2005, 11:47 AM

By definition wouldn't a loose bad and passive player simply call down with a J or flush draw? Seems to me he has a weak K and is trying to protect his hand. The pot is very large so it might be worth calling on the River but I think you are probably beat here most of the time. The play of UTG for a typical loose, bad, passive player would indicate K8 or something like that. Button could be betting a worse J.

marand · #8 08-25-2005, 12:33 PM

Button had T8 of diamonds. (He called two bets on the flop with a backdoor draw. Then he called the turn with a flushdraw and bet as a bluff on the river.)

UTG had J3o so MHIG. I almost folded the river since there were so few "reasonable" situations for me to be ahead. I was hoping button bet a busted flushdraw of spades and UTG called with JT or something.