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#1
08-23-2005, 04:52 PM
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Re: Big blind crap turns into two pair
I do think many gutshuts call for one bet here but not 2 since they don't consider it's a small pot. I also think given our equity edge we should push now and as you say, it's not the worst thing to have people drawing to weak draws without the odds to do so.
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#2
08-23-2005, 05:20 PM
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Re: Big blind crap turns into two pair
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I do think many gutshuts call for one bet here but not 2 since they don't consider it's a small pot [/ QUOTE ] whether they call or not doesn't matter. it is a mistake and we want them making that mistake. and in this small of a pot, i offer the suggestion that it would be okay to let them make that mistake.
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#4
08-23-2005, 07:02 PM
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Re: Big blind crap turns into two pair
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Then lets give them the chance to make the mistake for twice the amount of money. [/ QUOTE ] and here's what you said: [ QUOTE ] I do think many gutshuts call for one bet here but not 2 [/ QUOTE ] so which is it? are they calling 2 or not?
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#5
08-23-2005, 07:12 PM
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Re: Big blind crap turns into two pair
I thought it went like this -
When you have a vulnerable hand you want the pot now so raise. If opponent play correctly you win, if they play incorrectly and bet you win more than your fair share in the long run. So both are +EV. If you call and they stay in it may be +EV but if you are outdrawn because they made a small -EV mistake you have just made a big EV mistake and lost what could have been yours. So rather than +3BB for winning the smaller pot you are now -2 or 3BB for a net loss of 5 or more BB. You have just wiped out the profit for 200 hands.
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#6
08-23-2005, 07:13 PM
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Re: Big blind crap turns into two pair
I don't think they're calling two very often. However I would much rather have one player call two than two call one.
You seem to imply everyone will call one, which is not what I want to happen on this flop. Our hand is not strong enough to allow so many hands to keep drawing here.
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#7
08-23-2005, 07:21 PM
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Re: Big blind crap turns into two pair
Also the amount of people in the pot is more reason for me to raise the flop. If it was just HU I could see waiting till the turn to raise. But with 4 people each having, say ~5 outs, we just don't know which cards are safe and which aren't.
Also with lower two pair we still run the risk of 'improving' to something like J's & 7's on the turn and again on the river.
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#8
08-23-2005, 06:40 PM
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Re: Big blind crap turns into two pair
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[ QUOTE ] I do think many gutshuts call for one bet here but not 2 since they don't consider it's a small pot [/ QUOTE ] whether they call or not doesn't matter. it is a mistake and we want them making that mistake. and in this small of a pot, i offer the suggestion that it would be okay to let them make that mistake. [/ QUOTE ]
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