Best river line...

ggbman · #1 08-22-2005, 08:18 PM

Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG raises, Hero calls, BB folds.

River: (9.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, ...

Let's assume he has a 5 95% of the time, what's your line?

Cancuk · #2 08-22-2005, 08:25 PM

hero checks, bb checks, UTG raises, Hero raises...
If he has a 5 95% of the time, out of that 95% of the time how often does he open limp with Q5 or 53 UTG? I think its more plausable for him to have either 33 or 55, although if its' four handed their probably raising those.

cheers.

ggbman · #3 08-22-2005, 08:27 PM

I don't mind discussing the possibility of him having other hands than a 5. Does this mean if you c/r and he 3 bets, your not capping?

imported_leader · #4 08-22-2005, 08:28 PM

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Let's assume he has a 5 95% of the time, what's your line?

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I'd bet and hope for it to go call-raise in which case I'd 3-bet.

Cancuk · #5 08-22-2005, 08:31 PM

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I don't mind discussing the possibility of him having other hands than a 5. Does this mean if you c/r and he 3 bets, your not capping?

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If i c/r, and he three bets, no, i'm not capping..if this wasn't 20/40 i think my opinion would change.

cheers.

wackjob · #6 08-22-2005, 08:54 PM

I like the river C/R & just calling a 3-bet without a very strong read that villain would cap w/o a boat.

Catt · #7 08-22-2005, 09:08 PM

What about the turn call? Bit thin, no? Getting an immediate 7.5:2 with an 8-outer you make this call knowing you need to make up 2.5+ BB on the river if BB drops and you still risk getting 3-bet or worse. The second-most sucky thing happened in that BB folded so now you're HU. Any thoughts on the turn?

As to the river, if he's a thinking opponent I think it unlikely you're getting 3 bets in on the river. I go for the check-raise since I think it is most likely to get you 2 bets -- I would think that to a mildly observant opponent, your flop bet-call; turn call 2 cold; and lead on the river makes your hand either transparent or a desperation bluff and unless he has a boat he's better off calling in that situation. If you think he is likely to make a mistake by raising a lead, then go for it and make it three; but I'd want a read on him that he is a bit over-aggro and or a bit too quick to pull the trigger when he feels he has a strong hand.

Since you checked the river, you're obviously C/Ring. With a 4-bet cap online, I wouldn't rule out capping if three-bet -- but there aren't many hands a reasonable player should be three-betting your river C/R with that you beat. If he's reasonable and he three-bets you, I'd say there's a good chance he doesn't have a 5 at all but instead has 33 (but I presume he would raise this pre-flop 4-handed).

Bah, I am rambling and a bit confused by his play -- I'd call the three-bet if it comes and would be intensely interested to see his hand to better understand what sort of player I'm up against. Even a somewhat shaky read on the guy might convince me you're better off capping the river when three-bet.

Kakafoni · #8 08-22-2005, 09:20 PM

I would bet out on the river b/c i think there is a reaonable chance he'll check behind on the river.

Since u called 2 cold on turn you got to have something, and if he has a 5, the most logic hand would be 64 or 5x (less chance) since u commpleted from SB. If u completed with a Qx, the kicker would probably be too low to warrant a coldcall on turn.

If he raises i would just call.

Btw, maybe he had AA and tried the old limp/reraise

wackjob · #9 08-22-2005, 09:31 PM

I think you can count on villain betting the river when checked to at least 50%, thus go for that C/R every time.

cdxx · #10 08-22-2005, 09:36 PM

check, check, bet, raise, re-raise, call, call.