Weird huge pot QQ hand

[baronzeus]

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I'd say you could safely fold to the Flop 3-bet. I'm almost certain CO has AA or KK.

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I didn't do the math but folding to the flop 3bet is extremely -EV.

[TemetNosce]

Can't fold QQ here. That cold calling two bets then capping preflop smells more like a suited connector or small/medium pocket pair (or worse than either), rather than AA or KK.

[SmileyEH]

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I'd say you could safely fold to the Flop 3-bet. I'm almost certain CO has AA or KK.

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Haha. I'd put the lost EV of folding at around 5BB.

-SmileyEH

[Barklad]

Why are AA or KK assumed from the CO? He seems fairly agg preflop; the limp/cap seems more like a pot building play than to indicate an extremely strong hand such as AA/KK...feels more like AKs IMO

[Justin A]

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I'd say you could safely fold to the Flop 3-bet. I'm almost certain CO has AA or KK.

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Folding at any point during this hand is not an option.

[sfer]

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Why on earth didn't you lead the flop?

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Well I wanted to checkraise the capper. Why do you like a flop bet so much more?

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The coldcall/cap just looks like BS and I can't be sure how people will react to a bet from him, if he even bets. I want them reacting to my bet as the last real aggressor and the person most likely to have a real hand.

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I'm wanting them to react to my checkraise and face two bets instead of one. On a hand protection basis I think CRing is better, but I'd like to be convinced it's not the right play. Please elaborate.

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He coldcall capped. He's checking through more times than you want. If he raised limpers and capped your 3-bet I agree with your line.

[ArturiusX]

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I'd say you could safely fold to the Flop 3-bet. I'm almost certain CO has AA or KK.

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[JacksonTens]

I don't see a problem with the flop c/r. You have no guarantee he's going to raise your bet. But he is very likely to bet his other raising hands if checked to. Once you get 3-bet however your in trouble, did you think about capping? Or is that out of the question? On second thoughts maybe thats a bit aggro of me...
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[TomBrooks]

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I'd say you could safely fold to the Flop 3-bet. I'm almost certain CO has AA or KK.

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I didn't do the math but folding to the flop 3bet is extremely -EV.

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This is a big pot. Getting 26:1 to call the flop three-bet. But figure also on probably calling two more big bets. If third player stays in (which he did), we will be putting in 2.5 BB to possibly win 17BB. Thats 7:1. And thats if noone makes a two pair or something or has a set etc. and raises.

Getting 7:1 maybe this is good to call down. I got a pretty strong feeling were beat here though, perhaps more than 6 out of 7 times. I'm pretty sure at least 4 or 5 out of 7 times without a doubt. So IF folding to the flop 3 bet is -EV, it's not as -EV as one might think at first if one only considers the 26:1 call.

Whoops, wait a minute...thinking as I go. Odds of making a set are 23:1 so calling the flop 3bet is good.

After that, folding on the Turn Unimproved might not be a bad idea. If it was only one bet more on the river it would be different, but it will take at least 2 BB to get to Showdown.

[Justin A]

I won the hand. Bettor had AK spades and caller had A2 for bottom pair.