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Am I a doof?
***** Hand History for Game 2561124389 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14973464 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Friday, August 19, 11:21:59 EDT 2005 Table Table 13778 (Real Money) Seat 1 is the button Total number of players : 7 Seat 5: bpnelson ( $1270 ) Seat 4: BerryBluntz ( $1665 ) Seat 6: eisenbergdan ( $1745 ) Seat 8: skotoigra ( $615 ) Seat 3: Bologna_1101 ( $1380 ) Seat 1: MasterG11 ( $315 ) Seat 7: JACKmm ( $1010 ) Trny:14973464 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to BerryBluntz [ Ac Kc ] bpnelson folds. eisenbergdan folds. JACKmm raises [125]. skotoigra folds. MasterG11 folds. Bologna_1101 folds. BerryBluntz calls [75]. ** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 4s, 4h ] >You have options at Table 13974 Table!. >You have options at Table 13969 Table!. BerryBluntz bets [1000]. JACKmm is all-In [885] ** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ] ** Dealing River ** [ 9c ] >You have options at Table 13974 Table!. Results in white below <font color="white"> BerryBluntz shows [ Ac, Kc ] a pair of fours. JACKmm shows [ 4d, Ad ] three of a kind, fours. BerryBluntz wins 115 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of fours. JACKmm wins 2045 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, fours.</font> Trust me I know I f-ed this one up, berate my play... |
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Re: Am I a doof?
He's raised to 125, with 50 + 25 in the blinds, this equates to 200 in the pot. That's 20% of the "in play" stack (i.e. - his) and so I would just push this preflop. On the flop, I really don't like your line, but I wouldn't have got there in the first place.. still.. I would just check and fold giving him credit for a pocket pair.
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Re: Am I a doof?
Pre flop I was putting him on Ax, KQ, or a PP. I decided if I raised anymore it'd have to be a push, but I didn't want to do that because there was a good chance he had a PP and would definitely call that, but most likely would drop an Ax or KQ.
Once on the flop I felt with the way it came out I could take it down the vast majority of the time by poooooshing. I could've bet the pot and played it from there, but that's a bit weak as I'm going to have to fold to a push, no? |
#4
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Re: Am I a doof?
You're thinking negatively. For a start he won't always have a PP (as you can see, in fact). You said yourself he could have Ax, KQ/KJ or a PP then instantly you're saying only a PP to push all-in. You can't think this passively in an SNG and hope to win in the long term. You really should push this hand, and I really don't think it's that close at these levels.
You could even do the maths if you want. So what if he drops the Ax and KQ/KJ. I'll take the 200 chips any day without a showdown, wouldn't you? |
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Re: Am I a doof?
Of course I take the 200 chips, but the problem is he could easily have a PP, which I guess I have 6 outs to, but I just don't see him calling with anything other than a fav here.
I'm probably not thinking straight here though, I've had some horrible beats so far today, at least I got extremely lucky for a win... |
#6
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Re: Am I a doof?
Sigh..
I've given you the correct answer and still you won't see it. Fine I'll do you some maths, then you'll see, and I'll use conservative values, too. 20% of the time - he has Ax/KQ/KJ - folds let's say 90% of the time. So 0.2 x 0.9 = 0.18 you get T1615 + 200 = T1815 0.2 x 0.1 x 0.75 you get T1615 + 1010 + 75 = T2700 0.2 x 0.1 x 0.25 you get T1615 - 1010 = T605 We'll say 90% he has 22-QQ when he has a PP, 5% KK, 5% AA. We'll even say he calls 100% of the time (very unrealistic with 22-66, say, but anyway..) 0.8 x 0.45 x 0.9 you get T2700 0.8 x 0.55 x 0.9 you get T605 0.8 x 0.3 x 0.05 you get T2700 0.8 x 0.7 x 0.05 you get T605 0.8 x 0.07 x 0.05 you get T2700 0.8 x 0.93 x 0.05 you get T605 0.2 x 0.9 = 0.18 you get T1615 + 200 = T1815 0.2 x 0.9 ==> T1815 = T326.7 (0.2 x 0.1 x 0.75) + 0.8 x (0.45 x 0.9 + 0.3 x 0.05 + 0.07 x 0.05) ==> T2700 = T955.26 (0.2 x 0.1 x 0.25) + 0.8 x (0.55 x 0.9 + 0.7 x 0.05 + 0.93 x 0.05) ==> T605 = T282.051 Total = T1564 Even using these frankly ludicrous values you're losing 50 chips. It's not even close to anything like this, either.. |
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Re: Am I a doof?
AK is a good hand and most likely better than anything he has, and if not just a coinflip... so whats the difference if u pick up the 200 before or after the flop? just put him all in pre flop if u are going to be this aggressive after the flop.
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Re: Am I a doof?
[ QUOTE ]
Of course I take the 200 chips, but the problem is he could easily have a PP, which I guess I have 6 outs [/ QUOTE ] Quote of the day lol |
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Re: Am I a doof?
playing any hand out of position is not fun.
push > call > muck but I don't mind push > muck > call either. its a large % of your stacksize OOP edit muck is terrible, calling isn't an optoin. I auto-push. |
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