Why is the officating in soccer so horrible?

[2+2 wannabe]

current CONCACAF world rankings:

Mexico - 5
USA - 6
Costa Rica - 21
Honduras - 39
Jamaica - 41
Trinidad and Tobago - 53
Guatemala - 59
Cuba - 74
Panama - 77
Canada/Haiti/El Salvador/Barbados/etc. - eleventy billionth

[Voltron87]

those rankings are a joke.

[2+2 wannabe]

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those rankings are a joke.

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agreed - but at least they give some sort of idea where the teams are

i don't know how USA is possibly 6th

[KDawgCometh]

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those rankings are a joke.

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I hate the fifa rankings as much as anyone, but overall, concacaf is a stronger region then the AFC and is on par with CAF

[jdl22]

I agree with this. Just to emphasize how much better the European and South American confederations are here are all the winners of the world cup:
Conmebol:
Brasil 5 times
Argentina twice
Uruguay twice

UEFA:
Italy 3 times
Germany 3 times
England once
France once

other:
none

Similarly let's look at the semifinals of the last 6 cups:
2002 - Korea, Turkey, Germany, Brasil
1998 - Brasil, Netherlands, France, Croatia
1994 - Bulgaria, Italy, Sweden, Brasil
1990 - Italy, West Germany, Argentina, England
1986 - France, West Germany, Belgium, Argentina
1982 - Poland, Italy, France, West Germany

Of the 24 semifinalists 18 have come from Uefa, 5 from Conmebol and 1 from AFC.

[Voltron87]

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I agree with this. Just to emphasize how much better the European and South American confederations are here are all the winners of the world cup:
Conmebol:
Brasil 5 times
Argentina twice
Uruguay twice

UEFA:
Italy 3 times
Germany 3 times
England once
France once

other:
none

Similarly let's look at the semifinals of the last 6 cups:
2002 - Korea, Turkey, Germany, Brasil
1998 - Brasil, Netherlands, France, Croatia
1994 - Bulgaria, Italy, Sweden, Brasil
1990 - Italy, West Germany, Argentina, England
1986 - France, West Germany, Belgium, Argentina
1982 - Poland, Italy, France, West Germany

Of the 24 semifinalists 18 have come from Uefa, 5 from Conmebol and 1 from AFC.

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really good post jdl.

i generally like the idea that it is not just the top 32 countries getting into the world cup, that its an actual world cup with every continent etc, but just looking at concacaf there should not be 3.5 spots there.

[jdl22]

I actually like the system as is. It's difficult because FIFA needs to strike the balance between making the quality of play high while keeping it so small countries have a chance to make the finals. This is going to get easier since the quality gap has diminished and will continue to do so. There are more teams that are good and the difference between the good and great teams is not as high.

As for Concacaf getting 3.5 spots I think it's ok. It makes it very easy for the US and Mexico to qualify but at the same time there are normally one or two other teams that are decent. The extra half slot allows the bubble team to get another chance. I like this system because it will be a smaller country that is playing well making it through. I would also be ok with making it 2.5 or 3 spots and giving the extras to UEFA or Conmebol which would make the finals more interesting. I don't think it matters much one way or the other.

[SossMan]

fixed your title.

[Wyrm2]

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that offsides call on twellman was just criminal. I don't think that it was slanted one way though, cause the red card that the T&T player got on the harsh side

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That wasn't the only bad call. It seamed to me that anytime a foul might have been called against T&T, they played on, but the ref would call fouls against the USA if they breathed the wrong way.

The call that I thought was really teribble was in the second half, T&T had a goal kick. The ball cleared the box, and a USA player caught the T&T defense asleep and intercepted the kick. He had a good chance as there was only the golie between him and the goal, but the ref blew the wistle and the did the goal kick over. I never heard any explaination for this.

As for the red card, I agree it was harsh, but if there was ever a situation that deserved a penalty kick, that was it. But I guess my problem here is with the rules, not with the officating.

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The ref called the play dead because the goal kick did not leave the penalty box, and was therefore not legal, and must be rekicked.

[KDawgCometh]

3.5 is perfect for concacaf, I really don't see voltron's point of it being so weak. there are solid teams outside of the US and Mexico. Jamaica is a good team, Costa Rica has done fairly well when they have reached the WC, and Honduras is a solid nation too.

ONe thing that I think should be done is to create a unified West Indies team like there is in cricket. I am not a cricket fan, but from what I have seen the west indies cricket team is one of the stronger ones in the world and they do great. I think a west indies football combined side would be very good for the region. Granted, it would basically consist of jamacian and T&T players, but there are also good players across teh west indies that play for small island nations that would be able to contribute big time for a windies team

I don't think a spot should be taken away from europe, but the fourth or fifth team that normally goes in from south america hasn't always been all that strong. Oceania needs a garunteed spot. Part of the point of the WC is to generate money and intrest in other regions, and having a garunteed spot would do this. Australia is now gonna be joining the AFC for the next WC and this is nothing but a bad thing IMO and now creates a bad situation for oceania and also creates a bad precedent for other nations, and FIFA has allowed this. This is all becasue they have never had a garunteed spot in the WC and have only qualified once. It isn't their fault that they play in an extremely uncompetetive region and they have produced players that play in some of the top leagues in europe