common SS situation... bettor on your right, do you raise or call?

[akishore]

$1/$2 hold 'em, ten-handed

i'm button with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] .
four limpers, i raise, big blind and limpers call.

(12 SB) A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
three checks, MP bets, LP folds, i ...

call or raise?

in this specific hand, i had one tightie (20% VP$IP), two loose guys (30% VP$IP) and one really loose guy (70% VP$IP) behind me. i really wasn't sure how they reacted to two cold, though. i also didn't have much of a read on the bettor except that he had light betting standards.

how does it change if there's only two to act behind me? four? five?

how does it change based on the tightness and aggressiveness of the bettor?

aseem

[moodifier]

I definetly call hoping to get all the others in. Raising will probably drive most out. If raised by a limper I'd re-raise then. I'm not sure protection is our first priority even tho the pot is large already.

[MrWookie47]

Especially if he has light betting standards, raise it. Your hand is far too good to just call. If all you had was the flush draw, it's an easy call, but you likely have the best hand AND the best draw. Raise and hope they call. If not, no biggie. You'll still win a nice pot most of the time.

Edit: The pot is huge at this point. No getting fancy in large pots. Raise now. Win it.

[imported_The Vibesman]

Does everyone raise this preflop against this many limpers?

[Reqtech]

The pot is already fairly big, so go ahead and raise it to thin the herd to clear outs for your ace if your draw doesn't come through.

[VoraciousReader]

I raise this in every situation. I have TPWK, nut flush draw, backdoor straight draw and backdoor straight flush draw. The players behind me can come along or not. I'm happy to have them in with my nut flush draw, but I don't mind folding them out. The pot is already largeish.

Also, I'm in position to take a free card on the turn if I so choose. (But I probably don't choose, unless a truly frightening card comes on the turn. I think my pot equity is high enough that I want to get in a bet on the turn.)

You should raise. If you had bottom pair, I might call, but you have a very strong made hand + a powerful draw. Your hand is very likely to win UI if you can knock out a couple players.

[akishore]

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Does everyone raise this preflop against this many limpers?

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Isn't it standard?

You really do expect to win this pot more than 20% of the time (if the blinds fold... then you have dead money, which is also good) or more than 16% of the time (if one of the blinds calls)?

Aseem

[akishore]

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You should raise. If you had bottom pair, I might call, but you have a very strong made hand + a powerful draw. Your hand is very likely to win UI if you can knock out a couple players.

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If anything, shouldn't it be the other way around?

With bottom pair, you're raising to really make better hands fold, and you're much more vulnerable to overcards and whatnot. With top pair, you have less to protect against, so logic suggests that you might actually prefer a call with top pair while you raise with bottom pair.

Aseem

[Arcturus]

I don't. I would if there were 0-1 callers, but that's it. I would think you have a better chance of going up against a higher A-kicker.