Weird river raise I made with TPTK on a horrible board

baronzeus · #1 08-17-2005, 06:02 PM

Opponents are OK, both slightly loose preflop. Thoughts? I'm not too happy with it in retrospect

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises

SeaEagle · #2 08-17-2005, 06:13 PM

What weaker hands are calling you? What stronger hands are you folding? I don't think BB is calling you with something like A8 enough to make up for all the times you're putting in an extra bet when behind.

baronzeus · #3 08-17-2005, 06:14 PM

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What weaker hands are calling you? What stronger hands are you folding? I don't think BB is calling you with something like A8 enough to make up for all the times you're putting in an extra bet when behind.

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What do you put BB on?

callmedonnie · #4 08-17-2005, 06:16 PM

agreed, that is a weird river raise. w/out a read I'm having trouble figuring it out. The check turn and then bet river looks like he hit turn and slowplayed. I would expect straight to defend, and I would expect a suited in big blind to call my pf raise, so I think you're in a tough spot. That said, I call.

BB aggressive? What about on river and turn? If he is aggressive on turn that check should be setting of alarms.

SeaEagle · #5 08-17-2005, 06:22 PM

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What do you put BB on?

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Most likely he has a single pair and he thinks the turn checks mean he's good. But I don't see him calling your raise with a single pair in such a small pot very often, and the times he has stumbled on an actual hand will outweigh the times he gives you an extra bet.

And sb scares me. He could have a lot of stuff and may have whiffed on a c/r try on the turn. You're certainly not collecting any bets from sb when he's behind so you can only be giving him an extra bet on those occasions when he's ahead.

baronzeus · #6 08-17-2005, 06:24 PM

The real reason I raised here is because I thought SB was capable of folding a straight here if it was 2 bets back to him. Not sure if that adds enough value.

Wacken · #7 08-17-2005, 06:29 PM

I am a newbie, so tell me how much i'm wrong, but isnt there a pretty large chance he has a weaker king and his bet was a bluff on the flop?
A hand similar to yours but with a weaker kicker. He could pretty well call i think.

bobdibble · #8 08-17-2005, 06:32 PM

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And sb scares me. He could have a lot of stuff and may have whiffed on a c/r try on the turn

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If SB wiffed a turn CR, do you really think he would check the river?

callmedonnie · #9 08-17-2005, 06:35 PM

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And sb scares me. He could have a lot of stuff and may have whiffed on a c/r try on the turn

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If SB wiffed a turn CR, do you really think he would check the river?

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Not unless he is a real slow learner. Or he is really, really good.

bobdibble · #10 08-17-2005, 06:35 PM

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The real reason I raised here is because I thought SB was capable of folding a straight here if it was 2 bets back to him. Not sure if that adds enough value.

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If SB was capable of this, wouldn't he have value bet the river?