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08-16-2005, 02:37 AM
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Re: A touchy topic about race and genetics
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[ QUOTE ] Muddy Waters, Jimi Hendrix, Prince, Chuck Berry, Cole Porter and Robert Johnson. [/ QUOTE ] sigh [/ QUOTE ] Really. Why didn't you add Lenny Kravitz and Milli Vanilli? Prince tainted an otherwise outstanding post. -ptmusic 
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08-16-2005, 10:49 PM
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Re: A touchy topic about race and genetics
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To what do you attribute the massive difference between US and African blacks? I would think this study is a powerful counterargument AGAINST any substantial dependence of IQ on race. Rather, it suggests that other variables (nutrition, culture, random variation, etc.) are responsible. [/ QUOTE ] A few centuries of interbreeding. Extreme malnutrition can certainly effect IQ, but it doesn't account for the differences.
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08-16-2005, 11:33 PM
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Re: A touchy topic about race and genetics
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Yes, it can be and the preponderance of the evidence says that it is. IQ measures something quite real and after decades of testing, races do not perform equally. IQ is highly heritable as has been established by numerous twin studies. The one standard deviation that separates blacks and whites is omnipresent. The average IQ of American blacks is 85. The IQ of sub-Saharan inhabitants has been tested at roughly 70, with their university students averaging roughly 100. No other area of research is as suppressed. [/ QUOTE ] "The preponderance of evidence" is flawed at best. There is a LOT of work out there criticizing "The Bell Curve" for completely discounting environmental factors in differences in intelligence. The truth is, people are not field rats which we can place in a box and control their entire environment. As a result, as hard as we try to control for certain factors in designing these types of IQ studies, because we all live in a dynamic state with complex social and environmental interactions, any attempts to control for such differences is likely to be woefully inadequate.
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08-17-2005, 03:06 AM
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Even wikipedia has an article on this subject. [/ QUOTE ] After looking at this graph , I realized that penis size is inverse to IQ level. Wow.
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08-17-2005, 03:28 AM
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[ QUOTE ] Muddy Waters, Jimi Hendrix, Prince, Chuck Berry, Cole Porter and Robert Johnson. [/ QUOTE ] sigh [/ QUOTE ] Anyone who denies that Prince is a freakish musical talent obviously has a high genetic tendency to not know a goddamn thing about music. NT
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08-17-2005, 03:05 PM
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Re: A touchy topic about race and genetics
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"The preponderance of evidence" is flawed at best. There is a LOT of work out there criticizing "The Bell Curve" for completely discounting environmental factors in differences in intelligence. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't mention The Bell Curve, though it remains on solid ground. Within the field of intelligence research, it's considered mainstream knowledge. TBC does cite studies which have controlled for socio-economic status and it does mention it's effect on IQ as compared to other factors e.g. the IQ of one's parents. Controlling for SES has a minimal effect on the gap and the difference of one standard deviation remains. While you can never completely control for environment, the results are simply too striking and consistent to dismiss. People have been searching for a hidden 'X' Factor that explains the gap and have never found it.
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08-17-2005, 03:31 PM
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Re: A touchy topic about race and genetics
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[ QUOTE ] Even wikipedia has an article on this subject. [/ QUOTE ] After looking at this graph , I realized that penis size is inverse to IQ level. Wow. [/ QUOTE ] I guess some of us just got lucky and were born outliers. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] -ptmusic
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#20
08-17-2005, 03:39 PM
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Re: A touchy topic about race and genetics
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"Race" can't be "genetically divided along racial lines." That is, the concept of "race" (for the purose of scientific testing) is a pre-genetics anachronism. We now know that people within purported racial groups tend to be so genetically diverse that individuals of one race are more likely to be more genetically dissimular than than individuals of different races. Genetically, "white" people have more in common with "black" people than with other "white" people. [/ QUOTE ] What about athletic ability? If some whites are more likely to be like blacks, how come whites who grow up with blacks, can't run a 4.4 or be able to do a windmill dunk? Isn't it strange that every single starting cornerback in the NFL is black? Quite a coincidence, don't you think?
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