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#12
08-15-2005, 01:16 PM
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Re: Where\'s the logic (SNG\'s)
I had it happen in a 50.00 tourney just the other day. In fact, this particular guy told me, "I play to win man. I'm not playing for 3rd place." I laughed because that was all I could do. The funny thing is, I've heard pretty much that same phrase a number of other times. It's like this culture of people read somewhere that you need to perform this idiotic move.
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#14
08-15-2005, 02:10 PM
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Re: Where\'s the logic (SNG\'s)
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Often times I see people do the things you describe yourself as doing. Instead of checking down, they bet big with one pair, and the small stack wins. [/ QUOTE ] Most of the time that someone bets with a pair they will win over the small/crippled stacks in these situations. Edited: FMP
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#15
08-15-2005, 02:14 PM
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Re: Where\'s the logic (SNG\'s)
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Let's take player A, B, and C. Player A goes all in. B and C have him more than covered. B calls, C calls. The flop comes, and B bets huge representing that he has player A beat. C folds, and B shows absolutely nothing. Maybe he has a low pair or something. [/ QUOTE ] There are two reasons for B to make this move. I often find myself, when I get down to three or four handed, as the aggressor stealing blinds because the other decent stacks figure that I will bust the smaller stack and they will move up a spot, then they can loosen back up. Many times the small stack and the other decent stack will lose a bunch of chips to me, then the small stack doubles up, and the medium stack still plays passively, eventually getting ground down to a similar small stack. Depending on position, I'll fold my small blind to the small stack to keep the button moving around the table, knowing that I will just take it back the next hand. I will bluff into a dry side pot because it does two things for me: A) if the small stack triples up, I don't care. I can go back to stealing. B) if my small pair or other weak holding beats the small stack but wouldn't have beaten the other decent stack, that's great too. This essentially doubles the chips I just won (say t1500 extra in my stack and t1500 less for my decent stacked opponent). I'm not saying this is what you are seeing, just why players like myself at times bluff into dry side pots. You can get your opponent to lay down all sorts of better hands like second pair to your suited undercards because they think you wouldn't bet without a lock.
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#16
08-15-2005, 02:18 PM
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Re: Where\'s the logic (SNG\'s)
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[ QUOTE ] Often times I see people do the things you describe yourself as doing. Instead of checking down, they bet big with one pair, and the small stack wins. [/ QUOTE ] "Often"?... I doubt that, MOST of the time that someone bets with a "big pair" they will win over the small stack. [/ QUOTE ] reading comprehension wes... citanul
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#18
08-15-2005, 02:32 PM
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Re: Where\'s the logic (SNG\'s)
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reading comprehension wes... citanul [/ QUOTE ] My bad... I will blame this on skipping almost all of English101
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#19
08-15-2005, 02:40 PM
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Re: Where\'s the logic (SNG\'s)
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I don't say anything to them. I find it works best to keep them dumb. [/ QUOTE ] Normally I would agree, but for the most part bluffing at dry sidepots will only hurt you. I would think this might be one thing that would be beneficial to you if your opponents knew this. Unless of course you are the player that is all in...
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#20
08-16-2005, 04:28 PM
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Re: Where\'s the logic (SNG\'s)
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[ QUOTE ] Let's take player A, B, and C. Player A goes all in. B and C have him more than covered. B calls, C calls. The flop comes, and B bets huge representing that he has player A beat. C folds, and B shows absolutely nothing. Maybe he has a low pair or something. [/ QUOTE ] There are two reasons for B to make this move. I often find myself, when I get down to three or four handed, as the aggressor stealing blinds because the other decent stacks figure that I will bust the smaller stack and they will move up a spot, then they can loosen back up. Many times the small stack and the other decent stack will lose a bunch of chips to me, then the small stack doubles up, and the medium stack still plays passively, eventually getting ground down to a similar small stack. Depending on position, I'll fold my small blind to the small stack to keep the button moving around the table, knowing that I will just take it back the next hand. I will bluff into a dry side pot because it does two things for me: A) if the small stack triples up, I don't care. I can go back to stealing. B) if my small pair or other weak holding beats the small stack but wouldn't have beaten the other decent stack, that's great too. This essentially doubles the chips I just won (say t1500 extra in my stack and t1500 less for my decent stacked opponent). I'm not saying this is what you are seeing, just why players like myself at times bluff into dry side pots. You can get your opponent to lay down all sorts of better hands like second pair to your suited undercards because they think you wouldn't bet without a lock. [/ QUOTE ] I really shouldn't have said anything. Since I've written this, I've called or overraised people doing this foolish play four times, and won each time giving me a substantial lead. Granted, that won't happen every time, but it's nice to stick it to the morons.
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