PLO8 Flop/turn fold equity con't from Ribbo's post.

[Mendacious]

[qoute]I play you HEAD up! ANY time.

[/ QUOTE ]

I had a feeling you were "challenge people to heads-up guy"

On that note, I had some know it all spewing crap about my play challenge me to $200 heads-up holdem yesterday. As if that would prove something. I told him make it $1000 PLO8 only to find out you can't create private tables over $200 on Party-- not that he would have accepted.

[GivnHandOuts]

i got a feeling you are 'missing inside joke guy',
just the same as i am 'make comment and leave guy'.

and for the record-
both are better then 'likes to fight over bad beat' anyday.
and i always find myself more willing to fold pre-flop then turn

[Wintermute]

Mendacious, I play you HEAD up ANY time too.

(btw, until recently party didn't allow you to set up any PL/NL priv games--thanks for tipping me off on that, hopefully the stakes will eventually be raised too)

[mxyzptlk]

I am worried that a thread ender like "I play you HEAD up, ANY time" or "GET BACK IN YOUR HOLE" or random porn images will nullify anything constructive I have to say, but from my understanding, check-calling the flop with top set and then putting serious money in on the turn when a safe card hits is a fairly standard way to play it when:

1) there are two low cards on the board
2) there is a two flush on the board
3) the board is highly coordinated

I play this way against idiots and good players. you disguise your hand against good players and the idiots will still chase their draw for one card. a CR on the flop just screams "set" to anyone who isn't a dumbass.

QUEENS AND FOURS! EOM.

[Ribbo]

I think you will find people are morons, EVEN WHEN YOU TELL THEM WHAT YOU HAVE. But hey, no pair is a big hand, hard to fold. Only assume 1 thing at the tables, your opponents are idiots.

***** Hand History for Game 2536249183 *****
$100 PL Omaha Hi/Lo - Sunday, August 14, 20:59:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 36963 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Ribbo ( $270.90 )
Seat 2: nycpokerguy9 ( $70.19 )
Seat 3: borderhopper ( $195.84 )
Seat 4: stoogeone ( $98.95 )
Seat 5: myranger ( $125.85 )
Seat 6: KeyLargo1948 ( $93.20 )
Seat 8: cookguay ( $44 )
Seat 9: VernonLyman ( $100.55 )
Seat 10: chaz84 ( $92.85 )
Seat 7: jiroopark ( $100 )
VernonLyman posts small blind [$0.50].
Ribbo posts big blind [$1].
jiroopark posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ribbo [ 4h Ks Kh Qs ]
nycpokerguy9 folds.
borderhopper folds.
stoogeone raises [$2].
myranger folds.
KeyLargo1948 folds.
jiroopark calls [$1].
cookguay folds.
VernonLyman calls [$1.50].
Ribbo calls [$1].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, Kd, Jh ]
VernonLyman checks.
Ribbo checks.
stoogeone bets [$7].
jiroopark calls [$7].
VernonLyman folds.
Ribbo raises [$35.60].
stoogeone calls [$28.60].
VernonLyman: oh boy
jiroopark calls [$28.60].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
Ribbo bets [$111.80].
Ribbo: pretty obvious what i have
stoogeone folds.
jiroopark is all-In [$62.40]
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
>You have options at Table 36874 Table!.
Ribbo shows [ 4h, Ks, Kh, Qs ] three of a kind, kings.
jiroopark shows [ 7h, As, 3d, Tc ] high card ace.
jiroopark shows 8,4,3,2,A for low.
Ribbo wins $49.40 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, kings.
Ribbo wins $118.30 from the main pot with three of a kind, kings.
jiroopark wins Lo ($118.30) from the main pot with 8,4,3,2,A.

[beernutz]

[ QUOTE ]
I think you will find people are morons, EVEN WHEN YOU TELL THEM WHAT YOU HAVE. But hey, no pair is a big hand, hard to fold. Only assume 1 thing at the tables, your opponents are idiots.

***** Hand History for Game 2536249183 *****
$100 PL Omaha Hi/Lo - Sunday, August 14, 20:59:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 36963 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Ribbo ( $270.90 )
Seat 2: nycpokerguy9 ( $70.19 )
Seat 3: borderhopper ( $195.84 )
Seat 4: stoogeone ( $98.95 )
Seat 5: myranger ( $125.85 )
Seat 6: KeyLargo1948 ( $93.20 )
Seat 8: cookguay ( $44 )
Seat 9: VernonLyman ( $100.55 )
Seat 10: chaz84 ( $92.85 )
Seat 7: jiroopark ( $100 )
VernonLyman posts small blind [$0.50].
Ribbo posts big blind [$1].
jiroopark posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ribbo [ 4h Ks Kh Qs ]
nycpokerguy9 folds.
borderhopper folds.
stoogeone raises [$2].
myranger folds.
KeyLargo1948 folds.
jiroopark calls [$1].
cookguay folds.
VernonLyman calls [$1.50].
Ribbo calls [$1].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, Kd, Jh ]
VernonLyman checks.
Ribbo checks.
stoogeone bets [$7].
jiroopark calls [$7].
VernonLyman folds.
Ribbo raises [$35.60].
stoogeone calls [$28.60].
VernonLyman: oh boy
jiroopark calls [$28.60].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
Ribbo bets [$111.80].
Ribbo: pretty obvious what i have
stoogeone folds.
jiroopark is all-In [$62.40]
** Dealing River ** [ 8c ]
>You have options at Table 36874 Table!.
Ribbo shows [ 4h, Ks, Kh, Qs ] three of a kind, kings.
jiroopark shows [ 7h, As, 3d, Tc ] high card ace.
jiroopark shows 8,4,3,2,A for low.
Ribbo wins $49.40 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, kings.
Ribbo wins $118.30 from the main pot with three of a kind, kings.
jiroopark wins Lo ($118.30) from the main pot with 8,4,3,2,A.

[/ QUOTE ]

On the turn he had 8 outs to Broadway/wheel was getting almost 3:1 on the call while you were only a 61:39 favorite. That doesn't look particularly braindead to me, but wtf do I know?

[Ribbo]

Nothing, since you completely chose to ignore the flop. Would you make his call on the flop of 2 large bets?

[beernutz]

[ QUOTE ]
Nothing, since you completely chose to ignore the flop. Would you make his call on the flop of 2 large bets?

[/ QUOTE ]
You didn't tell him what you had until the turn. I thought that was your original point--that he was dumb to call the turn bet after you indirectly told him what you had.

it worked that time but i dont feel that is the right way to play that hand most of the time. you gave him an opportunity to make a draw on you for free (granted he seemed a little clueless, most players wont do something like that in a 10/20 game) if you bet out he might fold which is usually a good thing to take the pot when you can in a hi/low game so you dont have to chop on the river when a low hits. but it worked that time..nice job, he really was a sucker.

[Ribbo]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Nothing, since you completely chose to ignore the flop. Would you make his call on the flop of 2 large bets?

[/ QUOTE ]
You didn't tell him what you had until the turn. I thought that was your original point--that he was dumb to call the turn bet after you indirectly told him what you had.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes I told him on the flop when I check raised 2 people. Hell it doesn't matter what I have, calling with no pair, gutshot draw with a flush draw showing. Thats the worst.