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Old 08-10-2005, 09:24 PM
JinX11 JinX11 is offline
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Default The Sandwich Effect, Effective Odds, and You

Subtitle: I Fold Big Pots

Villians here are both LAGgy through four orbits with BB showing more aggression on earlier streets and Button on later streets. Both are seeing about 50% of flops, so much of their aggression is misplaced. BB has been running bad this session, while Button good (just showed down AA to drag a nice pot). BB has raises any flop that he has a piece of when he is bet into. Hero is holding his own so far this session - table is typically loose, moderately aggressive.

Should I regularly find a fold here? Must I stay married to my overpair for a showdown? Is it close? BB really seems to like his hand, but it was Button's call-cap on the turn that fried my brain. Obviously, the fold was made because I figured Button was baiting the both of us and I was afraid of getting sandwiched on the river for 4 more BB if BB/Button got into a raising war.

Even so, that'd be about 8.75:1 effective odds if the river is capped (35.2 BB / 4 - I think that's right). I've gotta be good here 1 out of 10, right??? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]


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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (11.20 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (23.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds...

Pot (up until Hero's fold): 24.20 BB
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Old 08-10-2005, 09:25 PM
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Default Re: The Sandwich Effect, Effective Odds, and You

I think this is an easy fold. You have one pair.


Cap flop.
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Old 08-10-2005, 09:34 PM
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Default Re: The Sandwich Effect, Effective Odds, and You

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Cap flop.

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With the flush and weakish straight draws on board, I was hoping that having favorable position on BB would allow me to face the field with 2 BB on the turn as well as extracting more out of LAGgy BB.

I mean, my line there isn't *bad*, is it? A reasonable alternative, at least??

Thanks for your response. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 08-10-2005, 09:34 PM
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Your avatar sucks. That is all.

- Jim
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Old 08-10-2005, 09:40 PM
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Default Re: The Sandwich Effect, Effective Odds, and You

Apparently, the mods agree with you. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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Old 08-10-2005, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: The Sandwich Effect, Effective Odds, and You

Being stuck in the middle sucks. I have no useful advice to dispense since I'm confused and sleep deprived.
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Old 08-10-2005, 10:05 PM
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Default Re: The Sandwich Effect, Effective Odds, and You

Well, I thank you anyway. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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